ScottT5
Posts: 63
Posts: 63
Posted:
All... am back once again, and once again thank you for you most valuable thought and input.
So to preface, our new development as some 50 lots, and there are 11 homes built. of the 50 lots, about 60% are owned. Therefore the Developer, who is acting President of the HOA is still in charge and has not transitioned formerly to the HOA. The development is now 18 years old. Lots are secluded, heavily wooded and are between 1.25 and 3 acres. Some residents own more than one lot, and the developer still owns the majority, some 20+ lots, not including a proposed second phase. Each lot counts as a vote, so he has 20+ votes, while others have 1 or more. So he is a majority. Having said that, many of the homes are second homes with seasonal occupancy and most homes are $600k and up, so the owners are respectful and maintain properties.
Our governing docs are poorly constructed and 18 years old. Everything falls under Bilaws and there is not a Declaration section for CC&Rs.
There are 3 people on the ACC Committee, and one was appointed by the president, the others were nominated by each other. Per our bilaws, until the development is transitioned to the HOA, the Developer is part of the ACC committee. The three are focused on law enforcement and routinely access properties unannounced, driving golf carts or atvs, looking for violations and if they can't find one they go to the county and township and look for violations to cite. Construction improvements such as decks or structures are met with the three searching for land use and building permits from the township and county. Overreach in my opinion, and some residents have been threatened with sanctions and fines, even though the permits are in-flight and have not yet been posted on the county websites.
There are no provisions in the bilaws for terms, so once appointed, it is pretty much like a supreme court justice. I do think the developer may be able to remove people. But there are no provisions for voting, as the development has not transitioned.
So my situation and question and sorry for the long intro.
A young couple just completed construction and moved in. Per the bilaws, only specific colors are approved. White is not approved nor is it allowed on any outside portion of the home, except for trim. When they purchased the lot, they were never given a copy of the bilaws, and never signed ( still legally binding, but did not know all retrictions) They were assisted by a neighbor and told that their architectural plans must be submitted to the ACC committee for approval. The Committee has final say in the construction down to the 'subjective' detail of roof pitches and style. Most homes are log style or rustic, however the new homes are more current in architecture.
The provisions in the bilaws state that 2 sets of plans must be submitted and approved by the committee, by a majority vote, of 2 people. it is also clear that the review and approval process must be completed in 30 days time. If not, the application is considered valid and approved.
The home is beautiful and certainly adds to the home values of the community. it is a dark slate blue color, popular now, but has a small build out section that is white. That section is not visible from the street, unless you are on the property and slightly visible in the dead of winter, were you can veiw about a 4 ft section through bare trees. Still not allowed per HOA.
The plans were submitted, and no was action taken, past 30 days. So the request was deemed as approved and the owners built. The committee admitted in the meeting (ducumented in notes) that they never reviewed the plans, but are now in the process of implementing fines, followed by litigation to force the owners to replace the white siding. As you can imagine they are a young couple, new to HOAs and this is not a welcome process for them. The Developer signed, independent of the committee, a letter stating that it was approved, as the as per the bilwas, because the committee did not meet the 30 day deadline. He has also been threatened with litigation as well.
So I know you are not legal counsel but have seen a lot
My questions are.
Can the committee after not meeting the deadline go back after the couple? Per the documents, it is approved.
Can the committee use HOA funds to sue, without a vote from members?
What changes could be made for people to be removed without the ability to vote?
again thank you in advance.
Verbiage in the bilaws
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ARTICLE VI DEVELOPMENT/CONSTRUCTION
1.2. Except as otherwise provided herein, a majority of the members of the Committee shall have the power to act on behalf of the Committee without the necessity of a meeting and without the necessity of consulting the remaining members of the Committee. The Committee may act only by written instrument setting forth the action taken and signed by the members of the Committee consenting to such action, provided further, however, that the Developer's consent shall be required for all Committee action, until such time as the Developer elects not to serve on the Committee.
2.2 If at any time a lot owner shall have submitted to the Committee plans and specifications in accordance with this section for a structure or alteration, and the Committee has neither approved such plans and specifications within thirty (30) days from the date of submission nor notified the lot owner of its objection with such 30-day period, then such plans and specifications shall be deemed to have been approved by the Committee. In the event that a lot owner shall file revised plans and specifications for a structure or alteration with the Committee after receiving objections from the Committee with respect to original plans and specifications, and the Committee has neither approved them nor notified the lot owner of further objections within thirty (30) days from the date of submission, then such revised plans and specifications shall be deemed to have been approved by the Committee.
So to preface, our new development as some 50 lots, and there are 11 homes built. of the 50 lots, about 60% are owned. Therefore the Developer, who is acting President of the HOA is still in charge and has not transitioned formerly to the HOA. The development is now 18 years old. Lots are secluded, heavily wooded and are between 1.25 and 3 acres. Some residents own more than one lot, and the developer still owns the majority, some 20+ lots, not including a proposed second phase. Each lot counts as a vote, so he has 20+ votes, while others have 1 or more. So he is a majority. Having said that, many of the homes are second homes with seasonal occupancy and most homes are $600k and up, so the owners are respectful and maintain properties.
Our governing docs are poorly constructed and 18 years old. Everything falls under Bilaws and there is not a Declaration section for CC&Rs.
There are 3 people on the ACC Committee, and one was appointed by the president, the others were nominated by each other. Per our bilaws, until the development is transitioned to the HOA, the Developer is part of the ACC committee. The three are focused on law enforcement and routinely access properties unannounced, driving golf carts or atvs, looking for violations and if they can't find one they go to the county and township and look for violations to cite. Construction improvements such as decks or structures are met with the three searching for land use and building permits from the township and county. Overreach in my opinion, and some residents have been threatened with sanctions and fines, even though the permits are in-flight and have not yet been posted on the county websites.
There are no provisions in the bilaws for terms, so once appointed, it is pretty much like a supreme court justice. I do think the developer may be able to remove people. But there are no provisions for voting, as the development has not transitioned.
So my situation and question and sorry for the long intro.
A young couple just completed construction and moved in. Per the bilaws, only specific colors are approved. White is not approved nor is it allowed on any outside portion of the home, except for trim. When they purchased the lot, they were never given a copy of the bilaws, and never signed ( still legally binding, but did not know all retrictions) They were assisted by a neighbor and told that their architectural plans must be submitted to the ACC committee for approval. The Committee has final say in the construction down to the 'subjective' detail of roof pitches and style. Most homes are log style or rustic, however the new homes are more current in architecture.
The provisions in the bilaws state that 2 sets of plans must be submitted and approved by the committee, by a majority vote, of 2 people. it is also clear that the review and approval process must be completed in 30 days time. If not, the application is considered valid and approved.
The home is beautiful and certainly adds to the home values of the community. it is a dark slate blue color, popular now, but has a small build out section that is white. That section is not visible from the street, unless you are on the property and slightly visible in the dead of winter, were you can veiw about a 4 ft section through bare trees. Still not allowed per HOA.
The plans were submitted, and no was action taken, past 30 days. So the request was deemed as approved and the owners built. The committee admitted in the meeting (ducumented in notes) that they never reviewed the plans, but are now in the process of implementing fines, followed by litigation to force the owners to replace the white siding. As you can imagine they are a young couple, new to HOAs and this is not a welcome process for them. The Developer signed, independent of the committee, a letter stating that it was approved, as the as per the bilwas, because the committee did not meet the 30 day deadline. He has also been threatened with litigation as well.
So I know you are not legal counsel but have seen a lot
Can the committee after not meeting the deadline go back after the couple? Per the documents, it is approved.
Can the committee use HOA funds to sue, without a vote from members?
What changes could be made for people to be removed without the ability to vote?
again thank you in advance.
Verbiage in the bilaws
-------------------
ARTICLE VI DEVELOPMENT/CONSTRUCTION
1.2. Except as otherwise provided herein, a majority of the members of the Committee shall have the power to act on behalf of the Committee without the necessity of a meeting and without the necessity of consulting the remaining members of the Committee. The Committee may act only by written instrument setting forth the action taken and signed by the members of the Committee consenting to such action, provided further, however, that the Developer's consent shall be required for all Committee action, until such time as the Developer elects not to serve on the Committee.
2.2 If at any time a lot owner shall have submitted to the Committee plans and specifications in accordance with this section for a structure or alteration, and the Committee has neither approved such plans and specifications within thirty (30) days from the date of submission nor notified the lot owner of its objection with such 30-day period, then such plans and specifications shall be deemed to have been approved by the Committee. In the event that a lot owner shall file revised plans and specifications for a structure or alteration with the Committee after receiving objections from the Committee with respect to original plans and specifications, and the Committee has neither approved them nor notified the lot owner of further objections within thirty (30) days from the date of submission, then such revised plans and specifications shall be deemed to have been approved by the Committee.