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RichardM19 (Illinois)
Posts: 21
Posted:
I've been an owner/resident in an HOA-controlled community in Illinois since 1989. Back then, the development was only 10% complete, with 68 single-family homes planned. Each homeowner owns their home and the land it sits on, with the rest of the land being common property. Aside from painting, owners are responsible for maintaining the exterior of their homes. Landscaping maintenance is provided, but replacements are the owner's responsibility. The HOA has been owner-controlled since 1999.

Since taking control, the HOA has hired four different property management firms (I've lost track of how many have been interviewed) and had seven different managers. Almost all of them have been poor to very poor at their jobs. Despite countless attempts to get them to comply with their contract obligations, we've always had to rely on the Board of Directors and various committees to do most of the work the management company should be doing. Even a simple task like responding to resident questions can take weeks, if at all. The Directors depend heavily on committees (especially Architectural, Finance, Landscape, and Ponds) and their chairs to oversee these assets. We have been successful in maintaining architectural control to a large extent, and home values are at all-time highs, and we have adequate reserves.

In 2024, the atmosphere in the community has changed drastically. Almost all of the original owners have passed away or moved on. New owners have no clue how the HOA works and have less than zero interest in participating in its operation. New candidates for Directors place their own wants above the Declaration and the Rules. Many homes are now owned by owners who are snowbirds and are absent 4-6 months out of the year.

The Architectural Committee is somewhat challenging and requires a person able to read and understand the rules and permitted alterations. Yet, there are few people to undertake that chore. I wonder if there are third-party firms that could absorb the technical compliance and write a recommendation to approve or deny an owner's request.

I wonder if other HOAs have had similar problems and how they solved them?

Thanks in advance for your insights.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
In my last association, we formalized a check list for alterations.
We also rewrote the architectural guidelines into an easy to understand document.

Alterations were more easily approved/disapproved because of this.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Boards are responsible for appointing committee members and can replaced them as necessary, so if your current committee members aren’t up to the task and/or don’t want to learn, why are they still there? Have you recruited any replacements? Do homeowners even know what’s required of the ARC committee and do you train them when they’re appointed?

If you want effective committees, you have to be willing to take a hard look at the people who’ve volunteered to be community leaders, and that’s what board members and committee members are – it can be tough to tell someone it’s not working and they’re being replaced and thanks for your service, but there are ways to counsel people first and then let them go if things don’t improve.

The property manager should be working at the board’s direction, and as you’ve found out, some are better than others. You said you have gone through several (my community tried three and self-management before we found our current company), but I also suspect the board itself was partially responsible for what’s happened. Some board members nitpick, others provide conflicting information and the rest think the property manager should do all their thinking for them – and then they can yell at them when things go to crap. You’ve been in that community for over 30 years – think back to what sort of stuff’s happened since then and you’ll likely see this didn’t happen overnight.

As for rules enforcement, owners can enforce CCRs against each other, but as you might also guess, most people defer to the board (because this is one of their duties) – and while some may have tried talking to their neighbors, others can’t or refuse to, for whatever reason, starting with wanting the board to be the heavy. You also have people who feel rules and exterior change standards apply to everyone else but them – how dare the property manager or the board tell THEM they can’t have their trash bin overflowing with junk, thus creating a buffet for the neighborhood raccoons???
If you want the property manager to oversee exterior change requests, you’d better be willing to pay for it. I suspect this isn’t part of your contract – and if you’re a board member, you should already know what it says regarding the property manager’s duties. If not, get a copy and start reading (you should be able to request a copy of the contract even if you’re not on the board – check your documents to see what association owners are entitled to upon request). Then, then talk to the property manager to see if this can be done and how much it would cost. If the board’s ok with that, I’d start this next year.

That’ll give you the rest of this one to educate the homeowners on what the new processes will be, the appeals process if they’re turned down (that’s still the board’s responsibility), design standards (e.g. approved colors if someone wants to repaint the house), a fine schedule if people don’t comply – along with a reminder that everyone agreed to comply with community rules when they purchased their home and became association members.

For the property manager, you can start with having them collect the ARC requests and they can send you recommendations on what should be approved, what needs more information and what should be denied. They can also keep track of when the requests were received, when the recommendation was sent to the board, when the board said yea or nay (you can do this in an open board meeting, referring to account numbers only to preserve privacy) who’s requested an appeal, and then the board can schedule appeal hearings.
The upside of letting the property manager handle some of this is that they can be objective – they do what the board says anyway, so the more specific those instructions are, the less likely homeowners can say things like “well, so and so on the committee doesn’t like me anyway.” The downside is that people can and will sue and so, the property manager might balk at accepting that liability or you’ll have to fork over more money to pay for that.

So, that’s my take – good luck to you.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Check your bylaws to see what the board can and can't do with delegating responsibilities.

If your community has been hiring community managers, that tells me that the board can delegate tasks as they deem necessary and pay professionals if need be. There are communities that employ a professional to handle the Treasurer's duties, for example. So the idea is not out of the question.

Typically committees serve at the board's pleasure and have no independent authority of their own. One exception I've heard of is the ACC, but it seems to be infrequent and they can't override a board decision (to the best of my knowledge).

I second the comment about looking at the board's expectations regarding the manager's contract. If the managers have been "portfolio managers", they will have a number of communities that they manage (can be 10-12 or even more). Obviously, the time that's devoted to any one community will be limited, the manager will juggle competing priorities, and sometimes your community won't be the top priority. It's frustrating, but that is very normal. The only other options are self-management (not recommended if you have a large community and too few interested homeowners) or hiring a dedicated manager. The latter will be expensive, and I can pretty much guarantee that homeowners will complain about assessment increases - including those who will never stir a finger.

(Just an FYI: my community's board has some unreasonable expectations and is already talking about dumping the current manager who's been with us for less than a year. I told them I'd have a chat with one of our previous management companies which is the best in our area and which has a waiting list of communities that want to hire them. One question they ask of boards submitting a request for proposal is "how many management companies have you employed in the last three years?" There can be reasons for that much turnover other than a board that's difficult to work with. But at the very least it suggests that things haven't been entirely smooth sailing, and a competent management company that's in demand would want to investigate before agreeing to take on what could be a problem client.)

One thing you might want to do is have a talk with the association attorney. You'll have to in any case if you need to write a contract from scratch. And the attorney can verify that you'd be complying with all your governing documents and protecting HOA assets and confidentiality if you go this route.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Richard, Tim, and Shelia...You each gave a great summary of current issues most HOA's are experiencing, along with suggestions for solutions. Well said and thank you.
RichardM19 (Illinois)
Posts: 21
Posted:
I appreciate the feedback.
In my opinion, we already have comprehensive and detailed rules with specific callouts for those seeking exterior changes. The problem arises of who will evaluate the owner’s submission and write the approval (or rejection) for the Directors to adopt or not. Our PM (for that matter, none of them) has that skill set.

I agree that our current property manager is subpar and would welcome a change. However, past efforts to find a new one through solicitations, RFIs, interviews, and reference checks have unfortunately led us to other unsatisfactory companies. This suggests that we are more likely to encounter another disappointing manager than a good one. Additionally, each new manager transition creates major upheaval for our financial
operations.

Our community is 36 years old. The original owners who built the HOA and deeply understood its history and nuances have moved on. Newer owners lack the same understanding, and none are willing to volunteer. Our Nominating Committee has looked under the rocks for more fresh recruits, but there is next to zero interest by any new owners unless they want something for their own benefit. So, it's easy to simply suggest recruiting new board members and committee members, but it's not a straightforward solution.

I’m guessing many HOA single-family communities now with second or third owners likely experience similar issues.

I have struck out on finding a for hire firm that could take over the function of the architectural committee and I would love to hear if anyone knows of any firms that might offer such a service.
JackieB4 (California)
Posts: 398
Posted:
Cathy, our messages seemed to have passed each other. You also shared great advice. Much appreciated.
RichardM19 (Illinois)
Posts: 21
Posted:
Cathy,

Thanks for the feedback. However, we are aware of those relationships, and we have a written contract with our manager. All of our manager's failures to meet the contract terms are black and white. For example, they failed to answer a homeowner's questions about a simple project request for over three weeks. There are numerous examples of that. Another example is the business's simple shutdown for a week back in July with no notice and no means to bridge that shutdown. It's been purported that they (ownership) took the week to mourn the loss of a family matriarch, and the staff, too, were furloughed.
The previous property management firm could not keep a manager for more than a month or two and had no experience managing properties with ponds. They were purported to be a great company, checked all the right boxes on the RFP, and had great reviews, but ultimately, they were clueless. Our first manager was caught in several blatant lies. The current manager approves investments without backup and posts to the wrong accounts... over and over and over again... Nor can they even cite a rule infraction that is relevant to the specific rule.

(It’s just not us; they had another property, a condo association that was wrecked by a tornado about 2 months after we signed up with them, and 3 years later, that property is still in major distress with many residents still homeless and no money left to complete the repairs. Their general manager quit, as did several of the property managers)

I think property management professionals, at least those in the small community space that we have access to, are less than competent, and that is driven in part by the available market and what the market (we) will pay. I agree that the solution is to hire a strong property manager, but I just don't think they exist in our space.

I think our structure and history are a bit troublesome. The community was billed as a maintenance-free community first by the developer and continuing today by realtors, and we are anything but that. Any owner that takes 15 minutes to read the Declaration will soon discover what their Realtor is telling them is nonsense.

The second challenge is we are not a condo or townhome community, nor are we a type of single-family home community that I see frequently. Those have much fewer assets to manage. Our HOA maintains all non-owner home footprint’s green space (about 20 acres), about 1.5 miles of roads, street lighting, 7 ponds, wells, an in-property storm sewer, a complex-wide irrigation system, waste collection, signage, waste collection, and a community building. We also provide exterior paint on all homes but not repairs. Additionally, we ensure architectural control over the community and all of the rules needed for peaceful cooperative co-existence... like picking up after your dog.

No matter our complicity in this mess, early on, we gave up on the property manager doing their job and just undertook those duties. I had written earlier that we had 4 Property Management companies: Firm A (1 manager) from about 1999-2000, Firm B (4 managers) from about 2000-2022, Firm C (2 or 3 managers) from 2022-2023, and then returning to Firm B (Owner's son now our manager and likely the worst emergency triage is underway with weekly statuses with his father and him to try and get some measure of control, but I don’t think it’s working) from 2023 to present. The goal in the changes to Firm C and then back to Firm B was to get the HOA hands-on management and have a strong manager undertake the jobs of running the HOA with Directors as policymakers with input driven by committees.

The newer wave of owners has expectations that simply can't be met... For example, in July 2024, there were 183 emails for service sent to the President (the President is copied to all emails sent to the manager email), and so the true number is likely higher because some owners simply can’t follow the procedure of using the manager's email, and instead write directly to them. (For context, in 2016 ish or so, we received about 157 emails from Owners from April to November.) Most of them are inane, like reporting that clippings haven’t been blown off your patio or driveway before the maintenance crew has finished a shift is but a single example of how ridiculous some of the complaints have become.

So to the specific question, does anyone know of a company that can review owner submissions for exterior changes predicated on what is allowed by our Declaration and Rules and oversee that process, ultimately resulting in a draft recommendation for the board to act?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
We’re not allowed to name specific vendors, so you’ll have to do some Googling on your own, unless someone from your state reads this conversation and sends you a private message. Even then, it won’t be enough to simply hand off this duty to your property manager or anyone else – have you forgotten about oversight? How will you know the vendor is doing the job you’re paying it to do unless you take the time to read your documents to know what the rules actually say and what should happen in the proper order? That’s something old and new homeowners need to do anyway. If they don’t know what the rules even say, how can they say they make no sense??)

If you want to hand off this work, you might also benefit by doing a Google search on “how HOA property managers help in rule enforcement” to get some ideas on what a vendor might do for you. You will still need to do the work on oversight, so if you’re on the board, tell your colleagues what you think and offer to spearhead the research. If there are neighbors you know who feel just as strongly, ask them to help you and they can ask the board if they could join a new committee on ARC revisions or some such.

You said you would want a vendor to draft letters to the homeowners on their ARC request and review the requests. All you need is to develop some templates and customize them as needed, just like you do when you prepare a merge letter in Word or another word processing program. Don’t know what verbiage to use? Go back to Google and look for sample letters you might adapt to your community.
(Wendy, if you’re reading this, you can explain to Richard how you’ve looked into using AI to draft letter templates in your community, so he either try it himself or suggest it to the board)
As for reviewing what’s actually in the request, checklists could help with that – if something’s unclear, send a letter requesting clarity. Design standards would also be helpful so homeowners would have a good idea of what changes have a better chance of being granted Every five years or so, send around a survey asking homeowners which standards don’t seem workable anymore and if it should be tweaked or dropped.

Regarding the new breed of homeowners, you said they have expectations that can’t be met. You also said the community was marketed as a maintenance-- free community and that’s another huge reason for the way things are today (and this is a problem in most HOAs). For some reason, people actually believe the ads about their homes being maintenance-- free and that they can get all sorts of Dom Perignon champagne features for Thunderbird money (whoops, I don’t think they make that anymore).

Nor do I understand why people think houses and condos are maintenance free. Sooner or later, everything wears out or breaks and can’t be repaired for the umpteenth time, so you have to open your wallet and replace it. This means doing the donkey work of setting a budget, getting three estimates or so, checking everyone’s reputation with the BBB or other consumer protection agency, blah, blah, blah. How else do you think those high property values everyone wants will increase?

I do understand why it’s reasonable to outsource ARC request handling or rule enforcement – board members do have a life outside the association and the more impartial and unemotional you can make the process, the better (people will have to come up with something other than screaming and cussing to get their way – or risk getting cussed out themselves or worse).

It would appear the new breed and OGs need of a come to Jesus meeting for a dose of reality and the facts of life. Nothing wrong with issuing a challenge – if this stuff is important to them, THEY can come up with a rules enforcement policy that makes sense, what areas are more in need of an update to the exterior change request policy, etc. That’ll take something off the board’s plate and you’ll find out who’s really committing or blowing smoke up one’s arse.

They can start with design standards for the exterior change request. Do you have any? If so, when was the last time anyone took a good look at them. Could it be you have a compliance issue is because what’s there is unclear or outdated? Maybe they’ve always been unrealistic – there should be a way to allow for creativity (cookie cutter houses are boring!) while maintaining the overall original look and design of the community. When you moved in 30 years ago, the original owners may have felt it was critical for all the house to be painted white with black trim on the windows, but the newer homeowners are more interested in installing ground cover that looks attractive but is easier to maintain (cutting the lawn, edging and spraying with herbicides and pesticides can be expensive and some of it’s harmful to the environment).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

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