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ChristyH1 (Texas)
Posts: 8
Posted:
So, we are a 55 & over HOA in TX. Covenants require one occupant to be at least 55, no children under the age of 19 can occupy (defined as stay overnight) for more than 90 days in a 12 month period. Married couple moved a young woman and her young child into their home, stating young woman is not a relative, but is the husband's "24/7 caregiver" and that the board cannot deny him his choice of caregiver, therefore she and the child get to stay.

Although our covenants specifically indicate the age limitation, we have no rules/fine schedule established for this specific violation, as the fine policies for specific offenses seem to be created as the need arises, and, quite frankly, this just hasn't happened in the past.

Has anyone dealt with anything like this before? Are there suggestions on the best way to handle it? Technically, of course, we COULD turn a blind eye as we have all occupied homes in compliance with the 55 & over rules, but, of course, other owners are starting to push the board for action.

I suggested that they not challenge the caregiver, just the child, stating that the caregiver can be there as his physical needs require, but that any overnight stay by the child, as outlined and defined in the covenants, must be limited to 90 days within any 12 month period.

Anybody that can chime in with solutions, helpful suggestions, would be appreciated.

It is relevant to the current situation that, in the past, the wife sued our park over an internal board dispute, and during the discovery phase, her lawyer challenged the original wording on our 1990 era original docs, requiring a prolonged period of lawyers re-writing establishment of the HOA corp, the covenants and the bylaws, voting by all residents, etc. The insurance covered much of the original lawsuit, but the cost to rewrite, vote, etc, was over $25,000 and our pool and facilities had to remain closed for an entire season until we could operate 100% legal, plus then our liability/etc insurance more than doubled. Because of this, it did result in the couple in question becoming very unpopular in our park, and indicates that they don't hesitate to sue, even when they have no actual financial gain in the end, as, in fact, their fees had to increase right along with everyone else's.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would get advice from your communities attorney before acting.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I'll start with your last paragraph- there will always be people who will test the board and their resolve when it comes to enforcing the community rules. I understand being hesitant because of what happened in the last lawsuit, but I would hope the board learned a lot so this doesn't repeat. The key is being fair and consistent the key is bring fair and consistent, discussing the complicated issues with an attorney, and being willing to be flexible in some cases.

In this case, however, these folks know exactly what they're doing and they probably think that because they won the last time, they can get away with this. They are well aware of your and are trying to get around the no child rule by calling the mother a 24/7 caregiver. In fact, it's impossible for anyone to go along with the lady being a 24/7 caregiver because she's also a mother and some of that time has to be spent tending to his or her needs, not to mention she needs time to eat,, sleep and wi d d I wn from the rigors of caregiving. I suspect the caregiver knows this too and figures no one would dare go after a single parent who's trying to make a living.

I agree with your approach on the matter, but you really need to speak to an attorney who's an expert in fair housing rules. That said, kids living in a 55+ community may become an issue in the future because many grandparents are finding themselves having to step in to take care of the grandkids because mom and/or dad live fuvked up lives, and so if they do t step in, the kids wind up in foster care

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I agree with Sheila and Dean, consult with your HOA attorney before you do anything. tread lightly.
You want to make sure all of YOUR ducks are in a row with all your I's dotted and T's crossed.
You do not want this biting you in the backside later.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
My initial blush is having an under 55 live in caregiver is fine. The caregiver having a minor child living with her is skirting the rules. Bottom line is there is a minor child living there.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Being a caregiver, even if its the children of the older person, would require a reasonable accommodation.

I concur with Dean. Get an opinion from your Association attorney prior to acting.
The Association does not want to be on the wrong side of a HUD complaint.
GeorgeR8 (Arizona)
Posts: 182
Posted:
We had that happen, but it was a relative and her kid. They had to leave but it took a while. Ask your HOA attorney.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
Yes as others have said, due to the nature of this situation, you're going to have to take legal steps to resolve this issue. I don't think the caregiver is going to leave unless she is legally required to do so.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Hi Christy,

No different opinion than what everyone else stated. I am very curious on what was the internal board dispute that caused the couple to sue in the first place. It will be good to know the legal story around that for all of our own educational purposes. Also there are references to HUD and Fair Housing and what I understand from the folks who responded that is big red flag to tread very carefully on. In any case the legal story will be great for us because it is something that I can learn from to avoid legal issues in my own condo.

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