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RichardM29 (Virginia)
Posts: 43
Posted:
We are a small HOA with no common meeting facilities, but subject to the usual Open Meeting laws most states have. Without an HOA facility for meetings, do Open Meeting laws mean private homes must be used? Seems like a conflict, with liability concerns, to me.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
We do not have a meeting facility, so when we hold an Annual meeting, we have held them in a church, city hall and a nearby library.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Open meeting simply means that members are welcome to attend and can not be turned away.
It does not mean that if they become unruly, they can't be asked to leave or, if needed, removed by the police.

We hold board meetings in private homes.
Members are welcome.
If they become unruly they are warned once.
If it continues they are asked to leave.
If they refuse, the meeting is suspended and the owner of the property asks the member to leave.
If they refuse, the owner contacts the police to have the individual removed for treaspassing.
Once they leave, the meeting resumes.

In my previous association, we held our general membership meetings at the local school (free of charge).

In my current Association, we hold the meeting on an empty lot (with owners permission) under a tent.
We are surveying the membership to see if attendance would increase or decrease if we held it at the local school or a nearby church.
ChrisS29 (Florida)
Posts: 48
Posted:
I think his liability concern may be more to do with people being on the property, slip/trip falls, insurance issues, etc rather than just becoming unruly. Someone doesn't like the Board member's house it's being held at, whoops I tripped on your area rug now pay me.

Our HOA uses Zoom meetings, there has been talk of using our covered pool cabana area as well. A previous HOA I was in also used Zoom meetings, but for the Annual meeting they reserved a meeting hall as a rec center a few blocks away.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
My condo association holds annual and special meetings off site, since our units can't accommodate that many people. Fortunately, the township we're in makes the trustees' meeting room available to local non-profits at no charge. In the past, we have had to pay for meeting space. If you have a community manager, that person may have ideas (a previous manager found the trustees' meeting room).

Local libraries may have meeting space, but our libraries charge community associations since the meeting isn't open to the public. But the cost may be competitive if you have to pay for space.

The insurance is something you'll need to think about if you're meeting in people's homes.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 08/15/2024 6:59 AM
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We are surveying the membership to see if attendance would increase or decrease if we held it at the local school or a nearby church.

We used church facilities in the past. In my experience, they don't charge but a "donation" is expected.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We use a room at the local public library. It is free of charge and handicap accessible.
RichardM29 (Virginia)
Posts: 43
Posted:
I appreciate the responses, but they are mainly about practices that work around Open Meeting laws, not really about the potential liability issues that come with use of private residences. If the private home is used, for instance, must if be ADA compliant? If someone using a walker trips on going up the stairs, who is liable?

I wish we could use Zoom. In our small development, we have homeowners who don't even have an email. Interestingly, our law (Maryland) allows Boards to use Zoom without addressing those types of issues. It seems the assumption is OK, sure, everyone can use Zoom.

I believe to be fully compliant with the law, as well as strictly adhering to their fiduciary responsibilities, BODs need to secure off site facilities for meetings. As long as those are available, it's good. If you can't find one, and need to have a meeting, the law is deficient.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Over the yers I've read this forum many HOA board meet in someone's home. I'm no insurance expert, but it seems to me if owners have an ordinary homeowners policy, it covers any guests in the home???/

To rent or arrange for a venue off the premises seems totally unnecessary for a "small" HOA. How the heck may would you expect to attend board meetings?

Our CC&Rs require owners to have an HOA6 policy (condo bldg.)
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Your governing documents may stipulate where meetings can be held.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Your situation is not uncommon and many HOA club houses will not accommodate an owners meeting, I can’t imagine having an association meeting in an owner’s home for more reason than you list.

Even the most rural community has a church that can be utilized.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I agree that meetings of the association, i.e, members meetings should be in a "real" meeting room of some kind. My condo HOA in Charlotte had no meeting roos, but the annual meeting & election was hld in a d conference room of a nearby hospital.

Board meeting tow hoc only. few owners attended were in board members' homes.

Replies here seem to focus on annual meetings of th members vs. board meetings.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
I host them in my double garage. Sue
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The annual meeting & election too, Sue?
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Yep
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ya, know? There's really no reason why not. And tho' owners may vote by absentee ballot in Cali.f, the more who attend meetings, the better. So, the more convenient the, better.
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
You raise some great questions, and my guess is that the association would be held liable if anything ever did happen in a private home. That being said, is there anywhere else close by, or on the development, that the association could host a meeting? That way you can avoid some of these unwanted possibilities.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In all ignorance, I asked above: Why wouldn't an ownrs' simple HO policy that covers injury to guests cover HOA members at a meeting? Or folks attending a Tupperware party? Or. wedding shower?? Or? Or?
ChrisS29 (Florida)
Posts: 48
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 08/19/2024 10:09 AM
In all ignorance, I asked above: Why wouldn't an ownrs' simple HO policy that covers injury to guests cover HOA members at a meeting? Or folks attending a Tupperware party? Or. wedding shower?? Or? Or?

Even though your homeowner's policy would cover the liability of people being injured on your property, would you want to accept that liability every time there is meeting?

I'm assuming if you're having a party, it's your friends that will be attending. If you're friends trips on your floor pat and breaks his wrist, it's a lot less likely that he's going to come after your homeowner's policy or try to sue you. An HOA of neighbors, some you may not know well, and maybe a couple that are hostile to the Board would be a different story.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
First, when we see talk of holding meetings in Owners' homes, I've usually seen very small numbers with fewer -than monthly board meetings. Often, they're quarterly and maybe four owners show up at Board meetings.

I have not seen here, say, monthly board meetings with 20 owners attending being held in Onwers' homes.

IF a board is hyper-worried about owners suing them, I do believe that one can purchse a one-day policy add-on to their HO insurance pretty cheaply.
GeorgeR8 (Arizona)
Posts: 182
Posted:
We have ours outside. My last condo had them at a library. The one I owned before that we had at a bar.
BillC17 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
We do most of our meetings on Zoom and it works well. Very convenient.

You can easily share documents that everyone can see without having to generate a lot of printed handouts. The meeting can be recorded if you like. If you don't own a computer you can attend with your cellphone.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeR8 on 08/20/2024 6:42 AM
... snip ... The one I owned before that we had at a bar.

I bet they got a lot done...
AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
Posted:
Our library provides free meeting rooms to non-profits.
During covid when the library was closed we used our local senior citizens center, they did charge a nominal fee.
We've also had owners who work volunteer meeting rooms.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I think Richard's overthinking this. I believe the ADA applies to public places, not private homes, and HOA meetings are supposed to be for members only, not the general public. If people are concerned about liability, they can consult their own homeowner insurance carrier - if it's unclear, don't offer your home. If no one volunteers, you'll just have to go to a church, restaurant or other place and pay the necessary rental fee.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I would put on every agenda a vote of the owners for a special assessment of $10,000 for building for meetings will occur if a quorum is present. I doubt many will show up. LOL.

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