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LmT (California)
Posts: 237
Posted:
We have three swimming pools. One of our homeowners has suggested, more than once, we fill in one of them and eliminate maintenance expenses involved. I'm not sure we can do this without a vote of the home owners.

I recalled seeing something on DS regarding the elimination of major community assets requiring a high percentage of votes in favor but can't now seem to find anything on the subject.

This is a townhome complex in California.

Any advice on how to respond?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If the board agrees, tell them that you will bring it for a vote at the next annual meeting.

If you simply don't want to deal with it, tell them that is certainly an idea, would he please solicit a petition to see if there is agreement amongst homeowners.
LmT (California)
Posts: 237
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 08/10/2024 1:00 PM
If the board agrees, tell them that you will bring it for a vote at the next annual meeting.

If you simply don't want to deal with it, tell them that is certainly an idea, would he please solicit a petition to see if there is agreement amongst homeowners.

I agree this is one way to handle it but I want to find out what is the correct and legal way to approach this project. I recall seeing that it requires a higher percentage of votes in favor to remove a common element such as a swimming pool or tennis court etc., etc. I would like to have that information on hand to respond to this suggestion.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
see: https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/E/Eliminating-HOA-Amenities

https://www.condocontrol.com/blog/getting-rid-of-hoa-amenities/

https://hoalaw.tinnellylaw.com/removal-of-common-area-amenities/

A quick look at removing amenities in other States say 80% of the membership approval required (in PA).
In CA, it looks like it's the board discretion. However, I would want something along the line of 2/3 agreement from membership to help defend if anyone took legal action.
LmT (California)
Posts: 237
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 08/10/2024 1:29 PM
see: https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/E/Eliminating-HOA-Amenities

https://www.condocontrol.com/blog/getting-rid-of-hoa-amenities/

https://hoalaw.tinnellylaw.com/removal-of-common-area-amenities/

A quick look at removing amenities in other States say 80% of the membership approval required (in PA).
In CA, it looks like it's the board discretion. However, I would want something along the line of 2/3 agreement from membership to help defend if anyone took legal action.

Thank you, Tim.

That is the clause I found on Davis Stirling but somewhere in the back of my mind I had that it took a larger majority of votes. I have taken a Quick Look at our documents but I will take the time to study more carefully.

Thanks for helping.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
find out how much money it woudl save and suggest reducing that amount of the dues. So if it save $30/owner per year give that info to owners. However in my experience if the amount is less than a tank of gas no one cares.

vis ta vie
LmT (California)
Posts: 237
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Posted By WendyM5 on 08/10/2024 2:20 PM
find out how much money it woudl save and suggest reducing that amount of the dues. So if it save $30/owner per year give that info to owners. However in my experience if the amount is less than a tank of gas no one cares.

That’s a thought. Your reply made me smile 😊
LmT (California)
Posts: 237
Posted:
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Posted By WendyM5 on 08/10/2024 2:20 PM
find out how much money it woudl save and suggest reducing that amount of the dues. So if it save $30/owner per year give that info to owners. However in my experience if the amount is less than a tank of gas no one cares.

That’s a thought. Your reply made me smile 😊
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What do your documents say? That's where you start.

Tim and Wendy also have good suggestions. If this homeowner wants to see this happen, he or she should pound the pavement and get a petition going. Running the numbers as to how much this would cost is also a good idea. If the association doesn't have the money, this may require a special assessment - and tge homeowner will need to persuade the homeowners to pay that way.

When we got rid of our pool, we had a formal vote because we needed 75% of homeowners to approve. We also told homeowners how much it would cost to build a new we one (because the old one was in bad shape), plus the costs of annual maintenance vs. the level of usage (extremely low). It yoo a year as r and a half, but the homeowners did approve the closure.

You might also toss in some suggestions on what to do with the area if the pool is filled in. For example, people might go for a community garden or picnic area that's cheaper to maintain.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
This would likely be considered a capital improvement project, so see if your governing documents mention that and how many votes are needed for that.

If there isn't anything, getting 2/3 support from members is reasonable. However, look into how much this would cost to fill and what it costs to repair the area where the pool is now vs how much it would save owners.

https://www.condocontrol.com/blog/getting-rid-of-hoa-amenities/
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Unable to find ANYthing in our CC&Rs, I just tried the idea of Capital Improvements. BUT in our CC& Rs, that's defined only as new, additional, installation, etc. in several places. And, indeed require a vote of the owners.

common sense says that owners should vote to remove common area amenities. But I really think a quick call to the HOA attorney can settle this.

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