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CarlosB3 (Florida)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Hi everyone!

Our previous management company did not file taxes for the previous year

After further reviewing our Balance Sheet & P&L it seems that we have a "Surplus"

Example Below:
We Budgeted 82K of expenses, but we ended with a net operating income of $15,246.83
Part of it was also because we obtain unpaid funds from various owner

We are also in the process of choosing the correct firm to file our taxes.( Open to recomendations)
Assuming indeed this is a Surplus, We did not vote last year on how to use these funds
Right now the funds are still in our operating account (The amount actually equals 3 months of our current budget)

I am just confused on how to move forward since we are already in August and I would like to avoid paying any taxes on this "surplus"
Eventually we will need to include the community to vote on what to do next?

From our By Laws
" Any Surplus assessment collected may be allocated to next year's operating cost or to the creation of reserves, whether or not budgeted. Under no Circumstance shall association be required to pay surplus assessment to owners"

Any feedback would be great

Thank you

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
you have 2 choices
credit to home owners or
put in reserves.

but you really need to total amount of overpayments and subtract from total.

vis ta vie
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the Board, Carlos? How well-funded ARE your reserves?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Assuming you file form 1120-H, the income from assessments/dues is not taxable even if the amount was more than actual expenses for the year. This is my understanding, but I am not a tax, accounting, or legal professional. Excerpt from 1120-H instructions:

Exempt function income. Exempt function income consists of membership dues, fees, or assessments from
(a) owners of condominium housing units; (b) owners of real property in the case of a residential real estate management association; or (c) owners of timeshare rights to use, or timeshare ownership interests in, real property in the case of a timeshare association. This income must come from the members as owners, not as customers, of the association's services.
Assessments or fees for a common activity qualify but charges for providing services don’t qualify.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
CarlosB3 (Florida)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Not Well Funded at all... We have only had a reserve for 2 years since I started on the board (The community has been opened since 2013)
CarlosB3 (Florida)
Posts: 47
Posted:
"but you really need to total amount of overpayments and subtract from total"

I did forget to mention that on the Balance Sheet

We have 2K collected of late fees & 8K Under MISC INCOME ( That is because Amazon hit our gate twice and the insurance paid, But 5k of repair cost occurred in Jan of 2024)

The actual Assessment income was $82,000
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CarlosB3 on 08/02/2024 2:12 PM
Not Well Funded at all... We have only had a reserve for 2 years since I started on the board (The community has been opened since 2013)

well that's normal because reserves should be buildt up over time. if you need $100K in 10 years that means about $10K saved each year, not $100K saved ASAP. but the only way to know is if you do a reserve study there are free ones that are actually pretty decent online.

vis ta vie
CarlosB3 (Florida)
Posts: 47
Posted:
Hi Wendy,

Are you able to share the free online reservation studies ?
Or is that not allowed in the forum?

Thank you
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Carlos

You said:

From our By Laws
" Any Surplus assessment collected may be allocated to next year's operating cost or to the creation of reserves, whether or not budgeted. Under no Circumstance shall association be required to pay surplus assessment to owners"


Is this not clear?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
They are called "Reserve Studies," Carlos. Wendy's HOA only has a very small number of reserve components--that would be in such a study. I don't at all think you should try an "online" study unless you, too have very few items for which the HOA is obligated to repair or replace.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Carlos,

John is illustrating what you can do with your surplus. He is quoting exactly from your own docs. Your question is the tax implications. If you want you can verify Douglass assertion on IRS tax code. He is correct if you qualify for the 1120-H. You will have to see if you qualify. Here might be some requirements for 1120H. Don't rely on this cut and paste as being accurate. You will need to get into the weeds.

"The requirements are that:

60% of HOA’s annual revenue must fall under exempt-function income, meaning that they are generated from owners who are members and not as customers.
HOAs should also ensure that 90% of its expenditure is on capital expenditure, maintenance, and management expenses.
The units within the community should mostly be used as residences, more than 85%.
Annual residual income must not be used to benefit association members.
If a homeowner association qualifies to file Form 1120 – H, then they will only be taxed on the non-exempt income. The non-exempt income is generated through interests from banks and other reserves, and other for-profit activities, such as renting out a clubhouse, the vending/laundry machine income or golf-course fees.

Expenses used solely to generate the non-exempt income are then deducted; records to support these expenses should be available. Homeowners associations are allowed a $100 deduction on taxable income, and a flat rate of 30% applied."

Credit back to owners does not look like an option. I do not know why it was stated.

CarlosB3 (Florida)
Posts: 47
Posted:
@Kerry
Apologies this was autospelled when I wrote " Reservation studied"
We as well only have a small number of reserve components; I can probably count them all with 1 hand. We are a very small community with the only amenity being a small pool.

@Gregory
But assuming we dont qualify for 1120-H We would have to vote on the revenue ruling correct? With that said since the Docs state that the surplus will not be returned to the residents
We would only vote on Keeping the funds on the operational account or on the reserve ?

On a site not if we do Qualify for 1120-H, Do we still need to vote on what to do with the "Surplus"

Thank you everyone for your help
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Carlos,

Our board simply adopted a written policy that any excess funds (typically due to expenses being less than budget amount) would be placed in the reserves.
This satisfied any vote requirement.

I think you would be surprised at the number of reserve components once a good look is done. Often overlooked items: Signage, minor playground equipment (trash cans, benches, etc.), storm water management, landscape replacement costs (life of trees, bushes, etc.).

GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
hi,

I am no expert on your docs. I do see the "or" part that you wrote. My docs do not have a "OR" but simply set aside for the next year current expenses. Current expenses do not include reserves. If you don't have voting stipulations around it then it might left to the discretion of the administration of the appointed or elected officers. It really depends on how your condo is setup. Also your state might have rules on this.

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