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SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
95 Townhomes, East Bay Area, HOA pays for all exterior painting, current reserve study cycle 6yr wood trim, 12yr stucco.

Davis Stirling says:

Paint Lifecycle.
The duration of paint on an exterior surface depends on factors such as the qualify of the paint, the type of surface painted (stucco, wood, metal), how well the surface is prepared, and the harshness of the environment (ocean, desert, mountain). Subject to these factors, the following is a general rule of thumb for repainting exterior surfaces:

Stucco: 7 to 10 years
Wood: 5 to 7 years
Metal: 2 to 3 years

It takes so long to get quotes, get Board decision, get job done that I wish we could do all on same cycle. Like every 10yr for everything.

Any CA communities like ours on one cycle?

Cheerio, Sue
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
These items cannot possibly be on "one cycle" because they have differing "estimated useful lives." Our condo bldgs. are concrete and have a different est. useful life than the metal trim paint. AND the concrete "crowns" on top of our two towers are a dark paint color and has a shorter useful life than the buildings' paint.

Your reserve study should tell you how often these distinct items need to be repainted based on your local climate and comparisons with similar bldg. finishes in your geographic locale.

What does your reserve study say about this topic??????

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
These items cannot possibly be on "one cycle" because they have differing "estimated useful lives." Our condo bldgs. are concrete and have a different est. useful life than the metal trim paint. AND the concrete "crowns" on top of our two towers are a dark paint color and has a shorter useful life than the buildings' paint.

Your reserve study should tell you how often these distinct items need to be repainted based on your local climate and comparisons with similar bldg. finishes in your geographic locale.

What does your reserve study say about this topic??????

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
These items cannot possibly be on "one cycle" because they have differing "estimated useful lives." Our condo bldgs. are concrete and have a different est. useful life than the metal trim paint. AND the concrete "crowns" on top of our two towers are a dark paint color and has a shorter useful life than the buildings' paint.

Your reserve study should tell you how often these distinct items need to be repainted based on your local climate and comparisons with similar bldg. finishes in your geographic locale.

Your reserves study provider IS the expert on this question, Sue.

SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thanks Kerry: Not sure why I got three replies from you, but anyway. As I said at the top of my message our Reserve Study has us on 6yr for wood and 12yr for stucco. I was just seeing if any townhome complexes try and get it all done together. Sue
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sorry to be confusing, Sue. I din't think my first replies went through. My mistake.

Again, there is no way that different surfaces can all have the same repaint estimated useful life. Our repaint concrete towers have an estimated useful life of 8 years, our crown 6 years. They might be shorter than yours because we are literally on a salt water bay with the ocean just beyond the Bay and we have probably lots more sun than your area.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
To try to make this topic clearer: Calif. is in the subject line, but repainting estimates will vary all over Cali and throughout the whole USA. That's why it's so important to have a reserve specialist (RS) who has a lot of "local knowledge" and local comparisons especially about weather.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
There are good reasons, including financial ones, to paint or replacing according to the individual components' useful life, not all at once.

Forcing things onto one cycle will result in painting some things before they need it (wasting money) and/or delaying painting things that do need it (the community looks awful, the component deteriorates and may need early replacement as a result).

The single cycle will also result in large expenses in one year followed by none in the following off-years. This is contrary to the goals of reserve funding, where owners contribute smaller amounts regularly rather than a single large payment in one year. Most people find it easier to handle the smaller amounts regularly instead of a large assessment in one year.

This is why many states require reserve funding in the first place: to avoid special assessments. It's especially important in states where owners can limit the size of the special assessment - the association has no choice but to accumulate funds over time or else resort to loans as needed. The latter is a sure fire way to increase the amount being spent, since that interest benefits no one but the banks. It's a dumb way to do business if you're a non-profit whose ability to accumulate funds is limited, unless the non-profit forced into it by circumstances outside of its control.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Good explanation by Cathy.

The other thing, Susan is that there's no requirement to repaint when the reserve study suggests. If the old paint still looks decent and the structure isn' getting wet for, say, fissures in the old paint. Our 25 story twin towers were not repainted until they were 17 years old. The "crowns," mentioned above, were, however, about every 6-8 years. And the Board did have the street level two stories repainted after about 10 years due to soil from "brake dirt" and urban grime. Funds for these jobs are expensed from reserves: Bldg. Repaint.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thank you, you’re right the reserve projects can be pushed back if the Board can see that the component still has life in it.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
I have noticed a few things in our community, both from the PM or the person that goes out to perform site visits
and from the reserve study. The reserve study is merely a suggestion based on average life cycles of a given item.

With that said it does not factor in adverse weather conditions, poorly manufactured supplies such as paint, stucco
even solid items like plumbing fixtures like pumps and even HVAC.

My community was started in 2007 and wasn't completed and turned over until 2013.
Around 2020 some notices went out on the homes built in 2012 about peeling paint, while the homes built
from 2007 to 2012-12 had no issues.. The reserve study is calling for the pool house to be painted next year
even tho it has looked rough for the wear the last two years.

Nothing is set in stone when it comes to reserve studies, sometimes it is wise to get ahead of projects, especially if
your reserve account is well funded. Some HOA chooses to complete items just because even though it's not needed.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our RSs HAVE factored in things like paint quality and weather conditions, and all certified RSs should factor in those things.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 07/31/2024 12:23 PM
Our RSs HAVE factored in things like paint quality and weather conditions, and all certified RSs should factor in those things.



paint quality is one thing like the best paint on the market headquartered in Cleveland. I am referring to when the painter that waters down
the paint or something that is poorly maintained or another outside force does their job poorly causing an element to fail prematurely cough cough Jacuzzi
stucco.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Stucco: 10 years
Wood: 5 years
Metal: 2.5 years

every 10 years you can get a quote for all 3 together
every 5 years the wood and metal can be done

however I find it very odd metal needs painted every 2.5 years. I'd say 5 years would be better.

I've never every painted my stucco house, big mistake to start painting it because then you will to eventually repaint it.

lastly I've tried to replace all wood with pVC or aluminum flashing so it doesn't need painted.

vis ta vie

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