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DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
Association lien will be dissolved if they do not bring suit within 180 days.
Avail yourself or be dissolved.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
And your question is what? Is this part of your other conversation?

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
Separate topic.
So you don't know either.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In that case, what's your question - all you wrote was a sentence.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Given the significant differences in HOA/COA laws among the various states, it's likely that as a broad generalization it's not true. Which does not mean that it isn't true for some states.

I'll note that according to my community's governing documents, the past due assessments themselves are what create the lien. The recording of the lien is a separate action.

The liens in my state will expire after a certain time period. But all that means is that the association needs to revisit the individual situation and decide if it makes sense to foreclose or to simply record another lien. This will depend on the details of the situation: the likelihood of being able to collect past due assessments, the likelihood of being able to foreclose successfully, whether or not there is a lender in the picture, and so on.

That's not the same as saying that an association must take specific actions at that time. Sometimes it makes better financial sense to keep a lien on the property and collect past due assessments when the owner sells the home. This is perfectly legal in my neck of the woods.

In other words, simply waiting out the HOA is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for someone who isn't paying their assessments. The HOA always has the upper hand in such situations, because the law is on the HOA's side and *not* on the side of the person who isn't paying their debts.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
A lien can easily be renewed.
DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
A contractor place a lien on the association when the board did not pay him for work done.
The associations attorney finally filed with the court due to contractor did not avail himself within 180 days lien would be dissolved.and it was.
DawnL6 (South Carolina)
Posts: 226
Posted:
A contractor place a lien on the association when the board did not pay him for work done.
The associations attorney finally filed with the court due to contractor did not avail himself within 180 days lien would be dissolved.and it was.
AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 108
Posted:
A contractor would put a mechanic's lien against a homeowner's address, not the association.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AidylP1 on 08/02/2024 3:22 PM
A contractor would put a mechanic's lien against a homeowner's address, not the association.

If the association hired the contractor for repairs to the common elements and did not pay, the contractor would indeed have liened the association.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DawnL6 on 07/27/2024 3:07 PM
Association lien will be dissolved if they do not bring suit within 180 days.
Avail yourself or be dissolved.

Once a lien is filed by my HOA, we are proceeding to foreclosure within 6 months if they don’t pay up.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Not all liens in all states can lead to foreclosure.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
A few years back we had a long discussion about foreclosures and why you can't generalize. Long story short: state laws differ and in many cases the association would be throwing good money after bad by trying to foreclose.

An association can have a policy about how to decide when to foreclose. But the actual decision to move forward should have a sound financial basis. In areas where homes are selling briskly, it can make more sense to leave the lien in place and collect past due assessments when the home is sold rather than paying the association attorney for their collection/foreclosure activities.

For instance, my community is in high demand, and homes are sold within a couple days of listing on the MLS (occasionally some are sold pre-listing). It would be foolish for us to pay our attorney when we have every reasonable expectation that we will see our money eventually. We do go through the normal procedures of dealing with late payments and routine collection actions - but with one exception we haven't foreclosed. We haven't needed to. But that could change in the future if we have another housing market bust like we did during The Great Recession.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Dawn,

I did a quick look and do not think that the rule applies to HOA liens in SC.

HOWEVER, I am not an attorney and did not fully research this issue. You may want to talk to your attorney for a legal opinion.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 08/05/2024 4:23 AM
A few years back we had a long discussion about foreclosures and why you can't generalize. Long story short: state laws differ and in many cases the association would be throwing good money after bad by trying to foreclose.

An association can have a policy about how to decide when to foreclose. But the actual decision to move forward should have a sound financial basis. In areas where homes are selling briskly, it can make more sense to leave the lien in place and collect past due assessments when the home is sold rather than paying the association attorney for their collection/foreclosure activities.

For instance, my community is in high demand, and homes are sold within a couple days of listing on the MLS (occasionally some are sold pre-listing). It would be foolish for us to pay our attorney when we have every reasonable expectation that we will see our money eventually. We do go through the normal procedures of dealing with late payments and routine collection actions - but with one exception we haven't foreclosed. We haven't needed to. But that could change in the future if we have another housing market bust like we did during The Great Recession.

Why is your HOA paying an attorney this?

Our law firm monitors the HOA delinquencies. Once an owner owes $500, the attorney, without board direction, is authorized to send a late notice. Every attorney service is charged to the homeowner and goes on the lien and foreclosure is within 6 months.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 08/05/2024 6:18 PM
Posted By CathyA3 on 08/05/2024 4:23 AM
A few years back we had a long discussion about foreclosures and why you can't generalize. Long story short: state laws differ and in many cases the association would be throwing good money after bad by trying to foreclose.

An association can have a policy about how to decide when to foreclose. But the actual decision to move forward should have a sound financial basis. In areas where homes are selling briskly, it can make more sense to leave the lien in place and collect past due assessments when the home is sold rather than paying the association attorney for their collection/foreclosure activities.

For instance, my community is in high demand, and homes are sold within a couple days of listing on the MLS (occasionally some are sold pre-listing). It would be foolish for us to pay our attorney when we have every reasonable expectation that we will see our money eventually. We do go through the normal procedures of dealing with late payments and routine collection actions - but with one exception we haven't foreclosed. We haven't needed to. But that could change in the future if we have another housing market bust like we did during The Great Recession.


Why is your HOA paying an attorney this?

Our law firm monitors the HOA delinquencies. Once an owner owes $500, the attorney, without board direction, is authorized to send a late notice. Every attorney service is charged to the homeowner and goes on the lien and foreclosure is within 6 months.


Our attorney = our law firm.

The attorney's fees and costs do go onto the delinquent owner's account, but we may or may not ever see theses funds. The lawyer gets paid by the HOA, and the debt is placed on the owner's ledger. If an owner isn't paying their assessments, though, they're not paying the legal fees either. They may file for bankruptcy (a favorite tactic of those who know how to play the game). Or there may be a lender in the picture that is the prior lien, and once the foreclosure process takes place the lender gets all of the proceeds.

From comments on this website, I understand that recovering what is owed to the HOA is the exception rather than the rule. It's why I say that the decision to foreclose is not straightforward, will depend on things like current economic conditions and the state's laws on association liens, and can be throwing good money after bad. An HOA can end up in better shape financially if it does nothing besides keeping the lien in place (paying for filing the lien upfront and hoping to recoup the money at some point).
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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COPIED FROM A LEGAL SITE

In South Carolina, the statutory time period for the validity of an HOA lien is typically governed by the South Carolina Homeowners Association Act (SCHAA). According to SCHAA, an HOA lien for unpaid assessments generally remains valid for a period of 10 years from the date it was recorded. This means that the lien would typically expire after 10 years if no further action is taken to enforce or extend the lien. However, it's important to note that certain circumstances can potentially extend the validity of an HOA lien. For instance, if the HOA takes legal action to enforce the lien before it expires, such as filing a lawsuit or initiating a foreclosure process, the lien may continue to be enforceable beyond the initial 10-year period.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Chapter 13 allows the filer to keep their assets, but they must create and execute a repayment plan that results in total repayment of all debt within a time period of three or five years.

Even if the liability for past dues gets discharged in Chapter 7, the HOA can foreclose on the property.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Not sure about foreclosing while the owner is in bankruptcy. We had one of those, and all collection activity had to stop until the bankruptcy played itself out. While the owner is paying off or discharging the debt covered by the bankruptcy filing, they're piling up more debt. Then the HOA files for foreclosure again once the bankruptcy period finishes, and cycle continues. These serial bankruptcy filers are the bane of community associations.

It's especially fun if they're renting out their home while they're not paying assessments. Yes, the association can go to court, and with luck the court will require the rent checks to be sent to the association - but that can't happen while the owner is still in bankruptcy.

The same laws that protect the debtor who is earnestly trying to get their finances in order can also shield the bad actor who uses the law against their creditors.

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