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JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Our HOA BOT is conducting regular HOA business behind closed doors in a Executive meeing.
The Radnurn law in NJ has be revised see below.
does this change in permitting Binding votes behind closed doors now also mean all HOA businness can be conducted behind closed doors and closed to the homeowners

Requirement for Open Session Board Votes. The Appellate Division reversed N.J.A.C. 5:26-8.12(e)2, which provided that a board may not take a binding vote during a closed session. CAI-NJ argued that PREDFDA allows association boards to hold closed sessions based on the four exceptions, and votes taken at those sessions may be binding as long as they fall into one of the four exceptions under J.S.A. 10:4-6 to -21. The Appellate Division agreed and found the “statute does not forbid binding votes from being taken at all closed meetings, as the regulation does.”
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By JohnA26 on 07/06/2024 11:52 AM
[minor edits follow, for readability] Our HOA [Board of Trustees or "BOT"] is conducting regular HOA business behind closed doors in an Executive meeting.
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[D]oes this change in permitting Binding votes behind closed doors now also mean all HOA business can be conducted behind closed doors and closed to the homeowners[?]
Short answer: No. A BOT can lawfully conduct only certain categories of business behind closed doors.

Long answer: I am writing with what I know to be the facts.

The Radburn regulations (not statute) implement parts of the NG Planned Real Estate Development Full Disclosure Act (PREDFDA). Apparently the latter statute says closed meetings may only occur for certain topics as given in N.J.S.A. 10:4-6 to -21.

The essence, from https://www.greenbaumlaw.com/insights-alerts-NJ-Appellate-Division-Reverses-Certain-Radburn-Regulations-Impacting-the-Election-Process-in-Community-Associations.html:

CAI-NJ argued that PREDFDA allows association boards to hold closed sessions based on the four exceptions, and votes taken at those sessions may be binding as long as they fall into one of the four exceptions under J.S.A. 10:4-6 to -21. The Appellate Division agreed and found the “statute does not forbid binding votes from being taken at all closed meetings, as the regulation does.”

The Appellate Division in no way said that a BOT can conduct closed meetings on all HOA topics. Per statute, New Jersey BOTs must have open meetings, including votes, on all topics that do not fall under the aforementioned exceptions.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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JohnA: What ARE the "four exceptions?"
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
I think this link points to the NJ open public meeting laws.

https://www.nj.gov/njoem/serc/pdf/Open_Public_Meetings_Act_N.J.S.A._10_4-6-21.pdf

10 :4-9. Meeting of public body; adequate notice to public; necessity; exceptions

This is a summary link that is the basis of his question.
https://www.greenbaumlaw.com/insights-alerts-NJ-Appellate-Division-Reverses-Certain-Radburn-Regulations-Impacting-the-Election-Process-in-Community-Associations.html

I found exceptions to public meetings but it was more than four.

Back to the question which four?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So, JohnA & Gregory,Tthere are typically about 4 in most states. Usually state code makes it pretty clear. Please share with me the four in NJ and then the "additional ones you see.

In Calif, five are are

1..Potential litigation; attorney/assoc. activity

2. Personnel matters (directors & committee members are NOT "personnel" in Cl alia. & Moab;y, I think, elsewhere.

3. owner discipline, eg., late or missing assessments; violating architectural ruls of rules o conduct in the common area, etc.; thier tanks misconduct.

4.Payment plans for individual owners.

5. contracts in formation with 3rd parties
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
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John you will need to respond since the open meeting laws are different than the state condo laws.

Here are the four condo law exceptions to open meetings.

(1) any matter the disclosure of which would constitute an unwarranted invasion of individual privacy;
(2) any pending or anticipated litigation or contract negotiations;
(3) any matters falling within the attorney-client privilege, to the extent that confidentiality is required in order for the attorney to exercise his ethical duties as a lawyer; or
(4) any matter involving the employment, promotion, discipline or dismissal of a specific officer or employee of the association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Hmmmm; maybe JohnA isn't in a "condo HOA," which is different than a detached home HOA in NJ?

(In Cali they're all the same statutes.)
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By GregoryT1 on 07/06/2024 7:38 PM
John you will need to respond since the open meeting laws are different than the state condo laws.

Here are the four condo law exceptions to open meetings.

(1) any matter the disclosure of which would constitute an unwarranted invasion of individual privacy;
(2) any pending or anticipated litigation or contract negotiations;
(3) any matters falling within the attorney-client privilege, to the extent that confidentiality is required in order for the attorney to exercise his ethical duties as a lawyer; or
(4) any matter involving the employment, promotion, discipline or dismissal of a specific officer or employee of the association.
These are the exceptions given in the The Planned Real Estate Development Full Disclosure Act (PREDFDA), 45:22A-21 et seq. What makes you think the PREDFDA and these exceptions apply only to condominiums? By my reading the exceptions apply to HOAs that are not condos and condos, unless one of the statute's exceptions is met.

JohnA26 provided everything people need to know to identify the four exceptions.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Here is the PREDFA N.J. Stat. § 45:22A-46

"(1) any matter the disclosure of which would constitute an unwarranted invasion of individual privacy;

(2) any pending or anticipated litigation or contract negotiations;

(3) any matters falling within the attorney-client privilege, to the extent that confidentiality is required in order for the attorney to exercise his ethical duties as a lawyer, or

(4) any matter involving the employment, promotion, discipline or dismissal of a specific officer or employee of the association.

At each meeting required under this subsection to be open to all association members, and voting-eligible tenants where applicable, the participation of unit association members, and voting-eligible tenants where applicable, in the proceedings or the provision of a public comment session shall be at the discretion of the executive board, minutes of the proceedings shall be taken, and copies of those minutes shall be made available to all association members, and voting-eligible tenants where applicable, before the next open meeting."

The meetings that are closed if they don't fall into the four exceptions they need to be open. I have seen government agencies will have have open and closed meetings at the same time. They will do a closed meeting at the end of the open portion to discuss items that are not open to the public.

John are all of the meeting closed?
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
The 4 exceptions mentioned a couple of times is what I am aware of.
We are single family detached homes. But I am not aware of any difference in when a Board can hold meetings in executive session.
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
A monthly meeting is open to the Home owners but it is nothing more than a status report as to what the Board did in the executive meetings.
No vote has been taken at the open meetings in 5 months.
The Board issued an update on what some of the "Behind the scenes activities"
Their new closed door approach is "Communicate & Collaborate" no mention of Home owner participation other than via volunteering on a committee
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By JohnA26 on 07/08/2024 1:21 PM
No vote has been taken at the open meetings in 5 months. The Board issued an update on what some of the "Behind the scenes activities"
Nail them. But start with honey (and not vinegar).

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