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SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
We have reserve study done by a qualified Reserve Analyst every three tears (with updates in between) per CA law. I believe that Boards in the last 35 years paid little attention to them, I don't know of sure but you know....! We are now 35 years old and the concrete tile roof replacement has entered the Reserves. I would really like to get the Board to understand the study in it's draft form. Can I do that in an Executive Session?

Once we are down to discussing Reserve Study implications on Dues and and repair priorities then that part would definitely be done in open meeting. And wisdom/experience to share? Sue
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By SusanO3 on 06/24/2024 10:36 AM
We have reserve study done by a qualified Reserve Analyst every three tears (with updates in between) per CA law. I believe that Boards in the last 35 years paid little attention to them, I don't know of sure but you know....! We are now 35 years old and the concrete tile roof replacement has entered the Reserves. I would really like to get the Board to understand the study in it's draft form. Can I do that in an Executive Session?
Into which category of exec session topics, as listed at https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/E/Executive-Session-Meetings, does this fall, in your opinion?

Because the board would be discussing matters very specific to the HOA, I say this is not a work session nor executive session but the stuff of a properly noticed, open board meeting.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Sue,
I agree with ElleN on this matter. This is a general topic that does not fit in the executive session. It should be on the regular meeting agenda. I feel it is important for the attendees to hear the board talk about this very important topic. It is typically about 20 to 30% of the budget if things are being done properly.

This can sometimes show who actually understands how reserves work and who doesn't.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The Board discussing a reserve study draft must be done in an open meeting in Calif. I'm wondering why you'd want to discuss the draft in secret????

If you really want the Board to understand the draft study, I urge you to invite the reserve analyst to present & explain it at an open board meeting. This will help owners too, who usually have no understanding of a reserve study. Our former & current RS's were eager to present the study to all and at no charge.

I believe you previously had a lot of questions about the tile roofs to this forum. How much remaining useful life has your current RS assigned to the roofing underlayment (if that's the right word) ? (We know the tiles can be re-used.
SusanO3 (California)
Posts: 163
Posted:
Thank you all for your sensible replies. I don't know what this update will say about underlayment and concrete tile replacement yet. Little nervous about it. The last underlay had replacement due in 8 years, and didn't mention tile replacement because we had 3 years to the UL deadline. So we shall see.

When the final Reserve Study is done I will definitely get Reserve Analyst in for presentation. I think my nervousness comes a suspicion that previously the Board were very low key, and low information flow. Now it looks like all these surprising costs are down to the new Board, primarily me!

But as they say Democracy Dies in Darkness!
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What everyone else said. There's nothing wrong with discussing this in an open meeting - since it will ultimately affect assessments, this is the type of thing the board SHOULD be discussing in front of the homeowners so they can understand the backstory around assessment increases rather then just raising them because they can.

You should have the reserve study specialist sit in on the meeting so he or she can explain why this roof replacement is so important and show the numbers. You said previous boards didn't seem to pay much attention to this, and you're probably right. Roof replacement isn't a small thing and it's not at all cheap, so some people go into the see no evil, hear no evil mode and pretend the problem isn't as bad as it looks, hope it'll resolve itself - or everything will go to crap after they've left the community for whatever reason.

This is a draft study after all, and boards can amend portions of it, but that shouldn't be done solely because people squawk at the cost. When the board has settled on a final version, ask the reserve specialist to make a presentation at a special homeowners meeting where people can hear the results of the entire study and ask questions. Ultimately, the board has to approve the budget, so if you know assessments will go up (and they will), you can also go into detail on what people can expect regarding maintenance.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Susan

Discuss the issue in an open meeting. If for no other reason a dues increase might be necessary and best to get such on the table ASAP.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm just remembering, Susan. Concrete roof tiles, if reasonably maintained should last 50-60 years. But the underlayment, if never yet replaced, certainly is due as it only last 20 years or thereabouts.

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