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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
I have a question that I'm hoping someone here can answer about deductions on our 1102H form. We do have our accounting firm fill out our 1102H form for us and do a yearly audit. However, this year our auditor misclassified some of our income and we had to work with her in order to avoid taxes (our deductions are legitimate, she just never asked about some line items).

Every five years our contract with our cable company gets renewed and they give us a per-door incentive. The last time, the amount (over $50k) was amortized over five years. We signed a new contract and got paid $82k in 2024. Our accountant is saying that the tax rules have changed, and we will have to take that amount as income in the year in which it was received and it cannot be amortized. Does anyone know if the tax law really was changed since five years ago that would keep us from amortizing the amount over the life of the contract?

Our treasurer wants to have one of our residents, who is a CPA, look into this for us. This resident is our past president and I'm not sure we want to get him involved. He has run twice for the board and been defeated and is convinced the current board does everything wrong. I'm not sure I want to turn our taxes over to him.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I'm no help with the tax question, but strongly believe your Board should not let the former prez, a CPA, who thinks the Board does everything wrong, and has been defeated by owners for broad membership 2X, anywhere near this task.

Our first treasurer was a CPA and never understood our admittedly complicated finances & reserves. He put us into a deep reserves hole that took years to repair. We now have CPA on our Finance Committee who does not seem to understand them either.

WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
To determine whether the tax rules have changed regarding the amortization of the per-door incentive from your cable company, let's look into the relevant tax guidelines and recent changes in tax law.

The issue revolves around how to recognize income from incentive payments under the current tax code. The treatment of such payments can be affected by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017, which made several changes to tax laws, including how certain types of income and expenses are recognized.

Key Points to Consider:
General Income Recognition Rules:

Under the accrual method of accounting, income is recognized when it is earned, regardless of when it is received.
Under the cash method of accounting, income is recognized when it is received, regardless of when it is earned.
Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) Changes:

The TCJA introduced various changes to the tax code, but it did not fundamentally alter the principles of income recognition for such incentive payments.
One significant change was the limitation on the ability to defer certain types of income, particularly in relation to advance payments.
Advance Payments:

According to IRS guidelines and recent tax law changes, advance payments generally need to be recognized in the year received unless specific exceptions apply.
Revenue Procedure 2004-34 allows deferral of advance payments, but this typically applies to goods, services, or other rights. It might not apply to incentive payments, which are often considered as compensation rather than advance payments for goods or services.
Amortization of Incentive Payments:

Historically, certain incentive payments (like the per-door incentive from the cable company) might have been amortized over the contract period under specific circumstances.
However, if the nature of the payment is considered a form of immediate compensation rather than a prepayment for services, the full amount would generally need to be recognized in the year it is received.
Current Situation:
Given the nature of the incentive payment and recent interpretations of tax laws:

If the payment is considered immediate compensation for signing the contract, it must be recognized as income in the year received, as your accountant suggests.
If there is an argument that the payment represents an advance payment for services to be rendered over the contract period, there might be a case for deferral. However, this is less likely given the IRS's stance on recognizing income.
Recommendation:
Given these considerations, it's likely that your accountant's advice is correct under current tax laws. However, tax laws and their interpretations can be complex and subject to change. Here are steps you can take:

Consult Your Accountant: Discuss the specific nature of the incentive payment and any relevant details of your contract with your accountant. Ensure that all aspects of the payment and its intended purpose are considered.

Seek a Second Opinion: If there's uncertainty or significant financial implications, consider getting a second opinion from another tax professional or tax attorney specializing in corporate or contract-related tax issues.

Review IRS Guidance: Look at the latest IRS guidelines on advance payments and income recognition to ensure compliance with current rules.

In conclusion, while historically it may have been possible to amortize such payments, current interpretations under the TCJA and recent IRS guidelines suggest that immediate recognition of such income is now required.

from CHATGPT.

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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Thanks Wendy. That was very helpful. We are looking at the cable contract to see if there is any clause that says we have to pay back a portion of the incentive if we have to terminate the contract early. If so, then I think you could make an argument that we got paid in advance for services over the five year period.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
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Posted By LoriM15 on 06/25/2024 9:43 AM
Thanks Wendy. That was very helpful. We are looking at the cable contract to see if there is any clause that says we have to pay back a portion of the incentive if we have to terminate the contract early. If so, then I think you could make an argument that we got paid in advance for services over the five year period.

dont' thank me, all I did was copy and past your question into AI bot and then copy and paste the answer. They are not always spot on, but this was a good answer.

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