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DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Our annual meeting notice, which, according to FL 720 must be delivered 14 days prior to meeting, and contains our BOD election info, proxies, etc., was postmarked 13 days prior to meeting, and received 11 days prior. Is this a problem?
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:

DanaA,

Perhaps, I do not understand your post entirely. I wouldn’t think that would be a problem what so ever.

You say: Fl. 720 states that all meetings must be delivered 14 days prior to a meeting, and the postmarked was 13 days prior, yet received 11 days ago?

What’s the problem, according to your post the announcement was actually received three(3)days early?

I’m certain others will weigh in with their interpretation of FL. 720.
Hopefully, someone with more HOA experience can provide you with a better interpret of such law.

Best of luck
Chuck W.


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
FL 720 says notice to membership must be 14 days prior to annual meeting. Notice was postmarked only 13 days prior to meeting, and received only 11 days prior to meeting, which is less than 14. Does this clarify? Thanks!
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DanaA - Technically the postmark should have been 14 days prior to the meeting date, not 13 days. The date of receipt by each owner depends on the delivery method and the unknown factor of US post. That is was received by you 11 days prior is not a battle I think you can fight. Granted the HOA BOD or Management should have gotten the notice out sooner but, IMHO C'mon is a day or two really going to influence the outcome? Maybe for a few owners that are out of town, etc. but those governing can't account for every situation. If someone wants to make a stink I suppose they can since the postmark was a day late. If it were me I'd simply make a request in an open meeting to please be a little more diligent in getting the notice out to the residents and to call upon me to assist in the future if they need assistance to accomplish it.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dana,

If I remember correctly, your Board has had a couple of other issues with election proceedures. How much do you want to make a deal out of this? Has anyone noticed this besides you? YES, that is not in the allowence of notification by the Statutes but if everyone else is okay with it, then I would put the Board on notice that they must adhere to the mailing rules and get them out earlier. Your Annual meeting has a required date and to delay this again is also a No-No.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
DanaA,

I have to apologize for my ignorance. I now know that the announcement was a day late NOT EARLY. I too wouldn’t make a fuss over a day though; unless that ONE day will significant change the outcome of the annual meeting.

I would however, as previously suggested, notify the BOD, so they can be aware of this when announcing future meetings.

There are far too many things to be concerned with, unless your community is perfect; I would let this “roll off your back”

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
To be honest, I did not even notice this, a couple of residents did, and brought it to my attention. Yes, there is a lot of scuffle going on right now, but these residents seem to think we can not even hold our election. Thanks for the advice, we will move forward I guess.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dana,
Unfortunately, there will always be the "Board Cops", waiting for just a slight chance to point out a goof by the Board. Assure the residents who pointed it out that it was just an oversight in getting the mailings out on time and that the Board has been put on notice that it will not be allowed to happen again. Getting the annual meeting in on time is as important as the 3 day delay in receiving the notice.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DanaA - Well, if the cat's out of the bag amongst the membership it's best to settle it amicably by explaining that they were noticed, albeit late, they did receive notice, apologize and ask that everyone move forward as planned in the best interests of the community. Technically someone may have a case regarding failure to provide notice in an adequate manner, and they may even be able to claim the actions taken as invalid. Now if a quorum attend the meeting in person, depending on what the governing documents state, that may waive the requirement of the BOD to provide notice. Don't have the exact wording on that one but I know it's in my docs. (somewhere).
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DonnaS - You stated 3 days late but the notice was sent out 1 day late, the owners received it 33 days late. Curious if you consider the postmarked mail date being 14 days in advance of the meeting as adequate or that it must be received 14 days prior to the meeting???? : )
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
Oops, I meant the owners received it 3 days late. : )
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gerald,
The dern Statutes say that "must be received 14 days prior" I think that Dana said that it was mailed out 1 day late and members received it 3 days late.
AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
DonnaS,
That's interesting that your FL HOA statutes say the notices must be "received" in 14 days. The FL Condo statutes (Chapter 718) say they must be mailed at least 14 days before etc...

"If there is no condominium property or association property upon which notices can be posted, notices of board meetings shall be mailed, delivered, or electronically transmitted at least 14 days before the meeting to the owner of each unit. "

Interesting, no?

Ann

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gerald,
Best we go to the Optomatrist together
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ann,

Below is the 720;306, Board meetings, notification. I guess the word "received" is not used" Good thing that I was not quoting it.

5) NOTICE OF MEETINGS.--The bylaws shall provide for giving notice to members of all member meetings, and if they do not do so shall be deemed to provide the following: The association shall give all parcel owners and members actual notice of all membership meetings, which shall be mailed, delivered, or electronically transmitted to the members not less than 14 days prior to the meeting. Evidence of compliance with this 14-day notice shall be made by an affidavit executed by the person providing the notice and filed upon execution among the official records of the association.

You all will notice in the 2nd sentence, the words "MEMBERS ACTUAL NOTICE OF ALL MEMBERSHIP MEETINGS, WHICH SHALL BE MAILED--?---DELIVERED,---? OR ELECTRONICALLY TRANSMITTED---? to the members not less than 14 days prior.

Is there a difference between mailed, delivered or e-transfered? I think that there is. One means that it is in the mail box, the second one means that it is in my hands. (delivered or in my posession) No wonder Boards get confused.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
and since the word "or" is used between the trilogy, the board can choose ANY one of the terms to meet their case.

If they mail them 14 days before the meeting, it doesn't matter if two get lost and never delivered.

If they deliver them by hand 14 days before the meeting, that's okay too. doesn't matter if they were or weren't mailed.

personally, i would stick with the "mailed".
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DonnaS - 720 states mailed, delivered, or or e-transmitted not less than 14 days prior to the meeting. So it was postmarked (mailed) 1 day late late and not in accordance. It's impossible to prove they didn't mail it 13 days before when the postmark if 13 days before. Personally I don't think it's worth making a stink over. But if someone had an axe to grind with the BOD, he or she might call the election illegal just to prove a point and make them understand the importance of compliance.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gerald,

As I said above, every association has their own Board Police, just waiting to point out a goof. I too think that it isn't worth the ink to redo.

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