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JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Our BOT in response to constant request for review of documents by the same residents is developing a nuisance policy. Doe anyone have a policy or procedure in place to address reasonable and unreasonable request
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If your documents and state law give homeowners the right to request and review certain records, you have to comply. Homeowners are business partners with each other in that they all co-own the common areas of the association and elect the board members who manage those assets. Therefore, they have a right to request and review things like monthly income/expense reports, reserve studies and vendor contracts.

Nuisance policies usually address issues like noise and trashy yards and if you don’t do set up the policy correctly, someone might complain the policy is aimed at them. Additionally, “constant requests” is subjective, along with “reasonable” vs “unreasonable”, so what you need to do is sit down with this resident to see what’s behind the requests.

It could be this homeowner is on some sort of a fishing expedition, but your first job is to take a look at the frequency of the requests and what he/she has asked for, and look for patterns. Is this homeowner calling every day for this or this document? Is he/she requesting records from, say, 10 years ago, meaning you need time to go to wherever those records are kept to pull them? Is the homeowner asking for the same thing over and over again? Is he/she asking for records the association isn’t required to provide, such as the account information of another homeowner?

Once you determine what those patterns are, send the homeowner a letter when the next request comes in. Fulfill the request, but also note that he/she has made a number of requests for X documents lately (e.g. income/expense reports) and are wondering if the homeowner has some underlying concerns that could be resolved by a discussion.

Follow up with a phone call by a board member who might have a good relationship with the homeowner. Another board member should sit in as a witness. If the homeowner is agreeable, schedule the meeting. It doesn’t have to be with the entire board, but if the homeowner requests that, do it (at least there will be more witnesses and less chance of drama). If the meeting goes well, follow up with another letter summarizing what was discussed, you appreciate the opportunity to clear up the misunderstanding, etc.

Going forward, a formal document policy would be useful, as it can address things like listing what documents homeowners are entitled to, how to make requests, photocopying costs, if appropriate, and so on. That can also include a timeline as to when the homeowner can expect the documents, if he/she must go to the property manager’s office, prohibition against marking up original documents, and more.

To do this properly, a talk with your association attorney and master insurance company will be critical because there are requirements as to what type of documents should be kept permanently. That’s another issue associations get in trouble with because they toss the wrong thing at the wrong time (maybe THAT’s part of the problem here).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By SheliaH on 06/18/2024 6:46 AM
If your documents and state law give homeowners the right to request and review certain records, you have to comply. Homeowners are business partners with each other in that they all co-own the common areas of the association and elect the board members who manage those assets. Therefore, they have a right to request and review things like monthly income/expense reports, reserve studies and vendor contracts.

Nuisance policies usually address issues like noise and trashy yards and if you don’t do set up the policy correctly, someone might complain the policy is aimed at them. Additionally, “constant requests” is subjective, along with “reasonable” vs “unreasonable”, so what you need to do is sit down with this resident to see what’s behind the requests.

It could be this homeowner is on some sort of a fishing expedition, but your first job is to take a look at the frequency of the requests and what he/she has asked for, and look for patterns. Is this homeowner calling every day for this or this document? Is he/she requesting records from, say, 10 years ago, meaning you need time to go to wherever those records are kept to pull them? Is the homeowner asking for the same thing over and over again? Is he/she asking for records the association isn’t required to provide, such as the account information of another homeowner?

Once you determine what those patterns are, send the homeowner a letter when the next request comes in. Fulfill the request, but also note that he/she has made a number of requests for X documents lately (e.g. income/expense reports) and are wondering if the homeowner has some underlying concerns that could be resolved by a discussion.

Follow up with a phone call by a board member who might have a good relationship with the homeowner. Another board member should sit in as a witness. If the homeowner is agreeable, schedule the meeting. It doesn’t have to be with the entire board, but if the homeowner requests that, do it (at least there will be more witnesses and less chance of drama). If the meeting goes well, follow up with another letter summarizing what was discussed, you appreciate the opportunity to clear up the misunderstanding, etc.

Going forward, a formal document policy would be useful, as it can address things like listing what documents homeowners are entitled to, how to make requests, photocopying costs, if appropriate, and so on. That can also include a timeline as to when the homeowner can expect the documents, if he/she must go to the property manager’s office, prohibition against marking up original documents, and more.

To do this properly, a talk with your association attorney and master insurance company will be critical because there are requirements as to what type of documents should be kept permanently. That’s another issue associations get in trouble with because they toss the wrong thing at the wrong time (maybe THAT’s part of the problem here).

Great reply.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What you need to learn first, JohnA, is exactly WHAT records your state's statutes require be available to owners. Your Board should be able to find that info.

And WHAT do your own documents say MUST be available? And, of course, we cannot know what your CC&Rs or Bylaws say on this topic.

And for how long a period of time? In Calif., for instance, Owners may only request records that go back 2 years plus the current year.*

In addition, must an HOA "compile" info into a "record?" Let's say an owner asks how many (not against whom) violations were issued in 2023 for violating the HOA's parking rules? This would require a PM or board member shuffling through a BUNCH of records to get the answer. In Cali, this type of "record" is not required to be compiled.

IMO, once your board learns the statute(s) & your own gov. docss on this topic, you will have no need to make a "policy." You simply summarize the existing limitations into an easy-to-read memo to this owner and to others who, in the future might be making unreasonable requests for records.

*. Meeting minutes(except for executive session) must, of course, be available forever.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
There is a difference between be allowed to inspect documents as often as they want and allowing residents to inspect documents any time they want.

Set a 1 hour inspection period on same date and time each month and make them all show up at the same time.
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Thank you.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
It may not be practical to set aside a monthly group "inspection hour".

For one thing, there needs to be someone present to monitor homeowners if they're inspecting physical records (eg. a board member or community manager). The board has to ensure that the records aren't being altered, damaged, or stolen. They also have to be sure that homeowners aren't viewing confidential information. Board members and managers are busy, and the association will have to pay the manager for their time.

It's much easier to make frequently requested items such as financial records or meeting minutes available on line. It also discourages the narrative that the association is hiding things, which cuts down on fishing expeditions. But this also costs money (computer software) and takes time (uploading the documents).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
With Cathy & how our MC does it: Put many of these PDF file docs on protected website for owners only to access.

It's hard to imagine that these days owes have to go to an office or some place else at a particular time to see the basic records that all HOAs must keep.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 06/21/2024 6:20 PM
With Cathy & how our MC does it: Put many of these PDF file docs on protected website for owners only to access.

It's hard to imagine that these days owes have to go to an office or some place else at a particular time to see the basic records that all HOAs must keep.


True, although it happens more than you may think, and the office may not be close. Having to drive a long distance is a barrier for many. (There is also a small management company in my area whose employees work out of their homes. They pride themselves on it, although I can't see how that's a selling point for anyone other than the fact that they're cheaper. The lack of physical security for association records as well as for the people involved gives me the heebie jeebies.)
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
The Association website has all documents available for all owners 24/7. The owners also have access to the PMC website 24/7 and would also be able to locate information on it. There are not any documents that are hidden from owners.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
throw all the docs into google drive and give access to owners. Come on this technology has been around since dropbox was formed in 2007, or 17 years. free or very low cost, and easy.

vis ta vie
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Oh, I'm agreeing with you, Cathy. I don't believe any ownres should have to traipse around going perhaps far away from their HOA to review records at a physical site. About 25% of our owners are landlords and live all over the country. They can review our records on our protected website..

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