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JerryJ4 (California)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Here in California our board recently enacted a new 51% rule. What that means is, we now need 51% of all homeowners to vote or the board will remain the same, without even opening any ballot envelopes. We have 296 homeowners and I'm just wondering if that's perfectly legal?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Are you saying the board set quorum for the annual meeting at 51%?

Are the bylaws silent as to what a quorum is?

Your reading this California statute section's statements about quorum is essential to your addressing this situation:

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-5115

Keyword search this statute section for "quorum," and you will see what I mean.

Please answer all questions that people here ask you (assuming the questions do not go off into the weeds).
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
Posted:
It sounds like you are saying that you need 51% to reach quorum? It is technically possible for a board to continue serving until the next annual meeting without reviewing ballots (https://findhoalaw.com/failure-to-achieve-quorum/). However, there is also a law that allows HOAs to reduce quorum to 20% if it cannot be reached the first time. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2023/10/21/hoa-homefront-good-news-in-2024-for-hoas-reduced-quorums/
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Please read this link re existing and proposed law and get out your declaration to review it.
https://findhoalaw.com/ab-2460-ta-member-election/
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
And remember to be valid and enforceable, a rule can’t conflict with the declaration. If it does conflict on those topics, only the membership can vote to amend it, not the board.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
What do your election rules say?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 06/17/2024 8:45 AM
And remember to be valid and enforceable, a rule can’t conflict with the declaration.
TerriS6 and I disagree on this reading of California statutes. If a Declaration section (or bylaw) conflicts with state statutes, and the rule is designed to ensure the HOA complies with statutes, by my reading of the statutes the rule is valid and enforceable.

At this time we do not know what the bylaws and declaration say. Until we do, I hope this thread is not hijacked by digressing into this topic.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
If a statute section requires a HOA to do xyz, and the Declaration conflicts with this requirement, is a HOA still obliged to do xyz?

Of course.

Practically speaking, a board-created rule, saying the HOA will do xyz, is not even relevant.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
JerryJ4, if your board refuses to hold a legal election, you can file a claim in small claims court for any violation of election law (Civil Code sections 5100-5145. See 5145 regarding enforcement). Unfortunately, some boards will try every possible trick to stay in power.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Here are the requirements for a rule to be valid and enforceable:

CIVIL CODE SECTION 4350. ENFORCEABILITY OF OPERATING RULE.
An operating rule is valid and enforceable only if all of the following requirements are satisfied:

(a) The rule is in writing.

(b) The rule is within the authority of the board conferred by law or by the declaration, articles of incorporation or association, or bylaws of the association.

(c) The rule is not in conflict with governing law and the declaration, articles of incorporation or association, or bylaws of the association.

(d) The rule is adopted, amended, or repealed in good faith and in substantial compliance with the requirements of this article.

(e) The rule is reasonable.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Jerry, way, waaaaaay too much missing info. Please:

1. Provide the exact wording in the Rule. AND--Did it come owners by email, or?

2. Provide the exact wording of the Rule in the open Board meeting minutes when the "Rule" was approved by the Board with its vote*.

3. Provide the exact wording in your HOA's Election Rules about the % of votes required to establish quorum to elect directors. Your Election Rules were required to be revised in 2020.

4. If the number of votes to establish quorum is not in your Election Rules, cite that number as found most likely in your Bylaws.**

5. Note Marshal's good contribution. Read it.

*In CA HOAs, the board must discuss a proposed "rule" at an open Board meeting and, next, it MUST send the proposed rule and its PURPOSE to all owners for a 28-day comment period. The, proposed rule is on an open meeting agenda again and the Board has the written comments and also must accept verbal comments from owners on it before it votes to approve or disapproved the rule.

** That number to establish quorum might possibly be in your CC&Rs, or, even less likely, in your Articles of Incorporation.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 06/17/2024 9:38 AM
Here are the requirements for a rule to be valid and enforceable:

CIVIL CODE SECTION 4350. ENFORCEABILITY OF OPERATING RULE.
An operating rule is valid and enforceable only if all of the following requirements are satisfied:

(a) The rule is in writing.

(b) The rule is within the authority of the board conferred by law or by the declaration, articles of incorporation or association, or bylaws of the association.

(c) The rule is not in conflict with governing law and the declaration, articles of incorporation or association, or bylaws of the association.

(d) The rule is adopted, amended, or repealed in good faith and in substantial compliance with the requirements of this article.

(e) The rule is reasonable.
... Except inter alia where this statute section conflicts with another statute section.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Jerry, on Terri's list, see "To be enforceable the rule had to have been (d) ".... adopted, amended....in good faith and in substantial compliance with the requirements of this article."

So, before any CA board may demand owners follow a rule, it FIRST MUST: CA Civil Code § 4360. Notice and Approval of Rule Change by Board.... 

(a) The board shall provide general notice ...of a proposed rule change at least 28 days before making the rule change. The notice shall include the text of the proposed rule change and a description of the purpose and effect of the proposed rule change. ......

(b) A decision on a proposed rule change shall be made at a board meeting, after consideration of any comments made by association members."

That is why I ask for info on any board meeting meetings that show this rule was approved by the Board. THEN, I feel,I and perhaps others too, would be in a position to offer advice.

AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 108
Posted:
The Bylaws MUST be changed by the required percentage stated in the Bylaws, this is technically not a rule change.

Also see https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-5115#axzz2CR2ljirY
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AidylP1 on 06/18/2024 6:50 PM
The Bylaws MUST be changed by the required percentage stated in the Bylaws, this is technically not a rule change.

Also see https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-5115#axzz2CR2ljirY

I agree.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Aidyl's correct and some of us above have asked Jerry about his HOA's bylaws, but perhaps not clearly enough.

In your Bylaws, Jerry, there probably is a section that discusses "quorum." A quorum is the % of all voting lots that are required to send in/turn in ballot sin order for an election to proceed. In my HOA the required quorum to elect directors was 25% of all eligible condo units. Some HOAs have a higher %. Your board wants to require a quorum of 51%.

But as Aidyl points out. First, the OWNERS must vote to amend the Bylaws. What is required to do that is IN your Bylaws,most likely.

CA HOA attorneys, including the one for my HOA, and the well-known ones at Davis-Stirling.com now advise CA HOAs to element a quorum requirement, which. my HOA did when we amended our bylaws in '22.

So I cannot imagine WHY Jerry's board wants such a stiff quorum requirement. Unless, of course, such a reqiuirement may help the current Board stay in power. BUT, do note the new statues above that permits Oswrs to postpone the ballot counting, etc.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our docs called for 51% of all owners to accomplish a quorum. Our first and last voted Bylaw change was to set quorum at 20%. It passed.

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