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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
The home in our HOA that is in foreclosure just had a summary judgment for the mortgage company, but they made a deal to give the owner 90 days because she claimed the house was on the market. This is just another stalling tactic - the house is not on the market. She has done this before. But after 90 days the house will be sold at auction if she hasn't paid off the mortgage company already. We are second in line for funds and hopefully she will get enough to pay us the $15,000 she owes us. If it's sold to a private buyer, we will get all that is owed for back assessments, but if the bank buys it at auction, then we will only get the lesser of 12 months of assessments or 1 percent of the original mortgage (about $2000).

Here's my question - she has many violations on her home. She got a settlement from her insurance company to fix her roof (torn up blue tarp all over it) and used the money for other things. Her yard is overgrown and in terrible shape. There are others.

Is it better for us to write those up now and have them on record before the house gets sold, either at auction or to a new buyer before auction? She will never fix the issues, so we could give her 30 days, call her to a fining meeting, and fine her before the 90 days is up.

Florida law says the new and old owners are jointly responsible for any outstanding violations or fines. I just hate to wait on this because if the bank gets the house in September, they may take months or years to sell it.

Has anyone been in this situation before?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Is the bank foreclosing? I wouldn't sweat it. The bank will pay the assessments and likely make the necessary
repairs to make the house livable and ready for sale, or they could sell it at a loss as-is with a stipulation that all
repairs are made within X number of days.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'm assuming the association attorney was involved with collections and starting the foreclosure procedure, so that would be the appropriate person to ask.

Is foreclosure similar to bankruptcy, where the legal filing stops the clock and no additional debt can be added? Sounds maybe logical, but that doesn't mean it's correct. Our one foreclosure happened while I was off the board, so I don't know all the details. I do know that we set the minimum auction amount at a level that would clear the outstanding mortgage plus assessments in arrears (my state treats fines, late fees, and other charges as assessments). But the board would have had to take action to correct any violations before this happened.

There is also language in our CC&Rs that state buyers who acquire homes via auction can't be held accountable for uncorrected violations. Of course I can't find the section that says this, but if I find it I'll post it. In the meantime, you may want to check your CC&Rs to see if there is something similar.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Ah...

Section 11.10: Non-Liability of Foreclosure Sale Purchaser for Past Due Common Expenses.

The title of the section pretty much says it all. In addition, the section refers to "Common Expenses or other assessments by the Association chargeable to such Unit which became due prior to the acquisition of title to such Unit by such acquirer. Any such lien against the Unit shall be canceled and voided, and shall become unenforceable."

So we're a big "nope".

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
My HOA’s attorneys would have moved this issue to HOA foreclosure about $10,000 ago. Your board slept on their rights and what you will receive at the end of this process will be peanuts.

LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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Posted By DeanJ on 06/13/2024 6:35 AM
My HOA’s attorneys would have moved this issue to HOA foreclosure about $10,000 ago. Your board slept on their rights and what you will receive at the end of this process will be peanuts.


You are correct. Our previous management company didn't keep us up to date on the collections. The mortgage company beat us to filing the foreclosure and once that was done, we just have to sit back and wait. However, our attorney didn't help us out by protesting all of the delays. This is our last matter with that firm. We now have a new attorney who is MUCH more aggressive. We also will be filing a foreclosure against another owner next week. We have 820 homes and sometimes a few get behind, but by the time they get to be $1000 late they never pay.

The clock continues to click with regards to our assessments and late fees. If the house is sold to a third-party, our estoppel certificate will include all of the amounts due (including any fines) up until the date of sale. They will have to be paid at closing. If the bank takes the house back at auction, Florida law limits how much we can recover. It's called the 12 month rule.

The house is worth, even in bad shape, at least $375k. She owes the bank about $300k including all fees. So there is money left for us if she sells the house. But she won't sell it - they will drag her out of that house at eviction.

I can't see any harm in us writing up the violations and starting the fining process. At least the expectations of the HOA will be on the record for the next owner.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Lori

I agree. Get the violations on the record.

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