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MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
Our Master policy insurance company wants to see we have a rule that all unit owners will have a $100,000 liability insurance coverage in their policy. We dont have this. If we don't come up with one they will not renew our insurance upon the renewal date. I have 10 weeks to do this. Anyone else have this happen to them. I'm on the board and it has to be done. Creating a rule is no biggy. Don't know what exactly to put into it. And my thoughts now we have to be the insurance police. This will lead to if we don't verify this the master policy can say they wont cover the liability claim because we were suppose to verify all owners have it. Then it will be a whirlwind from our atourney to the unit owner's atty. Because the rule was not followed.

Any help on this would be welcomed. Please don't say switch insurance companies we all know the cost could be high to switch. And who knows the next insurance company might do the same.

I heard this rule is not legal to do because of HUD. makes no sense to me that was even mentioned to me.As long as there is a rule and all vote it in how is it a problem?

TY
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Creating a rule is huge. It is not a small thing. Are you a condo?

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Vs. Melissa, creating a "rule" is usually NOT a huge thing. Amending CC&Rs often is a huge thing.

Usually an HOA board can create a "rule." Sometimes in some states, owners may have a voice, but maybe, or maybe not, any vote on a rule change. Please cite your governing document by its title, & quote exactly how to make a rule change in your HOA, Michelle.

Also, Please supply the exact wording from the insurance company that says they require you have such a “rule.”

My HOA is a condo multi-story bldg. We restated our CC&Rs in 2022, and included a requirement owners have an HO6 policy that includes liability, but no set amount.

And right now, for a one-month period, our PMC is requiring we owners send the “declaration” page of our HO6 insurance to their onsite office to prove we’re up to date.

I’m happy to provide the wording of our CC&R insurance section once I know a little more about your situation. Btw, I just asked our Assoc. master policy agent via our PMC if this requirement gives our HOA any break on our premium. His answer in writing? No.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Look at your documents to see if there's language that allows the board to enact additional rules that flesh out the bylaws or CCRs. They can't supersede the documents, so your attorney will need to help we with drafting the rule This should be adopted by the board as a resolution that's voted on during an open board meeting.

But before you do that, you'll need to look at the mastercpolicy to see what it says about changing the terms of the coverage. You didn't say where you got the information on this rule- if that came up during a conversation, ask that person where he or she got it. Is it in writing and if so, where? Does this rule appy to HOA insurance or something else? Have you spoken to your insurance agent?

As you know or should know, HOA master insurance is increasing everywhere and some states are more affected than others because they've had more natural disasters (e.g. California wildfires, Florida hurricanes, etc.) The disasters are getting more intense and some companies no longer cover HOAs at all because of it. That may be driving this because insurance comoanues are trying to limit their payouts any way possible. A talk eith your state i b surance commission may also be helpful in researchinb this rule.

Youll also need to inform the homeowners about this IMMEDIATELY. If the insyrance company wrote a letter to the board explaining the change in policy, it should be distributed to the homeowners. Encourage questions and perhaps gather the m I st common and give them to the agent to draft a response.

Finally, do what you can to buy your community some time if you have no choice but to enact a rule. For example, the carrier might give the community until the end of the year to comply. Everyone must provide written documentation of the coverage that's kept in their master file with the association and notify the property manager of changes. Those who rent out their homes should already be requiring renters insurance of their tenants, and proof of that should be sent to the association.

If you've never done a risk assessment of your community, this would be a good time to start. If you know where you're most vulnerable, you may be able to take steps to address them and improve your chances of keeping your coverage. Yes, you still need to consider switching companies - doesn't mean you will and you're correct that a new company may be more expensive, but you need to explore all options. Good luck and keep us posted - this could be another wrinkle in HOA land that may hit the rest of us.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I would expect that such a requirement would have to be in the CC&Rs vs. any other document.

That said, most homeowner policies have a liability coverage. Typically with $100K being the minimum.

I suppose that you could make a policy resolution that all owners must have the minimum.
However, the enforcement of such a rule that isn't within the covenants could likely be challenged.
Your attorney would be able to advise you on that specific.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
$100k isn’t much insurance.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I tend to agree with Tim. That's why I feel like I need to know more before pursuing this any further.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I've created 17 rules for our condo. Saved us a lot in $$$$ doing it. I can create this one will be given to atty for blessing. There's the notice and comment, than notice of a rule. Have to have a meeting and vote. Luckily for a rule its majority for declaration its 67% of the majority at the meeting.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I've created 17 rules for our condo. Saved us a lot in $$$$ doing it. I can create this one will be given to atty for blessing. There's the notice and comment, than notice of a rule. Have to have a meeting and vote. Luckily for a rule its majority for declaration its 67% of the majority at the meeting.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
They want it to say in so many words . "All Owners are required to cover at least $100,000 in liability coverage on there H06 policy." With this rule it will be verified by copies a COI from their insurance company. Don't know if the wording should be tweaked. than notice and comment of this rule, Meeting, and notice of a rule amended. In our rules we have a insurance area. with not much in it.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
They want it to say in so many words . "All Owners are required to cover at least $100,000 in liability coverage on there H06 policy." With this rule it will be verified by copies a COI from their insurance company. Don't know if the wording should be tweaked. than notice and comment of this rule, Meeting, and notice of a rule amended. In our rules we have a insurance area. with not much in it.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
They want it to say in so many words . "All Owners are required to cover at least $100,000 in liability coverage on there H06 policy." With this rule it will be verified by copies a COI from their insurance company. Don't know if the wording should be tweaked. than notice and comment of this rule, Meeting, and notice of a rule amended. In our rules we have a insurance area. with not much in it.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
It would go in the rule area. Our Master policy insurance company is making us doping it. It can be enforced if its a rule. People would get fined for not having it. Which they would need to show their COI. Should showing us be in the rule. With this I believe they are doing this to find the unit owners who dont have the liability coverage. If someone owns their unit noone would know if they have a policy or not. My atty said find a new insurance company. I go yeh then just my luck the new insurance company would be a higher premium and they'll want the same rule created. ITs all a crap shoot. The flip side if we do not do it they will drop us at renewal So this is a sure thing. I have the letter from our insurance company that will be included with notifications of a rule to them. And yes our atty will be looking at this rule too.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I really can share some helpful really good wording, Michelle. But I'm not comfortable doing that without knowing what your CC&Rs say about insurance. it might be the Board has no authority to change anything about the existing CC&Rs re: insurance.

We all know that changing rules is a hella lot easier & cheaper than changing CC&Rs. But that does NOT mean HOA boards can just approve anything the Board wishes to its Rules & Regs.

And I really want to know what your CC&Rs, or other governing documents, or CT statutes say EXACTLY about amending (adding, changing, deleting) "rules."
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By MichelleG7 on 06/06/2024 2:11 PM
It would go in the rule area. Our Master policy insurance company is making us doping it. It can be enforced if its a rule. People would get fined for not having it. Which they would need to show their COI. Should showing us be in the rule. With this I believe they are doing this to find the unit owners who dont have the liability coverage. If someone owns their unit noone would know if they have a policy or not. My atty said find a new insurance company. I go yeh then just my luck the new insurance company would be a higher premium and they'll want the same rule created. ITs all a crap shoot. The flip side if we do not do it they will drop us at renewal So this is a sure thing. I have the letter from our insurance company that will be included with notifications of a rule to them. And yes our atty will be looking at this rule too.
MichelleG7, for what it is worth: In my experience and for a few legal reasons, your board is doing the right thing (requiring owners carry $100,000 of liability insurance, pursuant to the insurance company's required terms).

These are extraordinary times for insurance. There's no question in my mind that insurers are saying, "For too long clients have taken the position that they should get much more than peace of mind for their premiums. Obviously this has led to problems in the insurance industry. Today business as usual is no more. We will be not asking, but instead we will be demanding, that clients take more responsibility."

I advise having a few town hall-style meetings to explain the situation and why the new rule will be imposed. Getting people used to a sudden added financial burden on them, instead of springing this on them all of a sudden, always helps the medicine go down.

If someone wants to sue over this, then oh well. However these plaintiffs do need to know this will have an even greater impact on the insurability of the association.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since there seems to be a fair amount of interest in this subject I’ll cite our CC&Rs. Michelle: even though you're unable to cite how rules must be made per your HOA's governing documents, I'm assuming that your HOA attorney (not some other kind) will tell you if you may make a "rule" on this topic--given the content of the insurance section of your CC&Rs-- or if you must amend your CC&Rs.

If your Board is able to make a rule about this, I assume it would be done at an open board meeting so that owners have a chance to attend and ask questions, etc. It also sounds like your Board must send out the proposed new rule to owners for a specified comment period, which sounds very similar to Calif. retirements for rule changes. Unless your HOA is huge, one Town Hall presentation to owners by your agent as introduced by a board member should be sufficient to convince owners that there’s really no choice.

Perhaps most owners already have some sort of an HO6 policy. For my 2 bd, 2ba 1,150sf condo, my annual premium is $532. $ 42of that is for $500,000 liability, which also covers damage caused by my Units to others, their "loss of use" while repairs are made, etc.

Our multistory condo bldg opened in 2001 and the following was in our original CC&Rs:

“INDIVIDUAL INSURANCE. Each Owner shall maintain property insurance against losses to personal property located within the Unit and to any upgrades or Improvements [e.g. cabinets; floor coverings, fixtures etc.]* located within the Unit and liability insurance against any liability resulting from any injury or damage occurring within or outside the Unit in such form, in such amounts as reasonable for this Project and complying with any other requirements relating to insurance maintained by an Owner as may be specified in the Rules.”

So, as shown, our HOA’s Board was authorized to make rules about this topic. But, since we were restating our CC&Rs in 2022, the Board added the following with our HOA attorney’s wording: “Owners must provide a Certificate of Insurance to the Association within thirty (30) days of procuring or renewing their insurance policies or upon demand by the Association.” My HOA is currently in that 30-day "demand" window from the Management staff.

And: “The Association may also put into effect and pay the premium for any insurance which an Owner is required to maintain, but which an Owner fails to maintain or to provide evidence of such maintenance …to the Association’s satisfaction. In such circumstances, the Association shall be entitled to levy an Enforcement Assessment* against the Owner’s Condominium to obtain reimbursement of all costs and expenses incurred in putting such insurance into effect and maintaining the same.”

*AKA “Bare Walls” insurance.
** An “enforcement assessment” can be levied against owners for a few reasons in my HOA— e.g, damage to HOA common area— after due process, i.e., invitation for an alleged violator to a hearing and a board’s decision.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
TY this does help..
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Good, Michelle. In case clarity suffered at my hands,, all of my citations are from our CC&Rs.
MichelleG7 (Connecticut)
Posts: 66
Posted:
I have completed I will email my rule to my atty for her blessing. I have to say it again. that part on verifying helped my rule. They sent back an email saying they wanted a verification of the insurance in the rule. My gut says all insurances will be wanted this as a rule. We are just the beginning of it. Makes no sense to fight it or move to another insurance company. Why because they might want the same rule.

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