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BrettH3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 47
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We are in South Carolina and our pool rules state that children under age 14 must be accompanied by a parent. Our HOA attorney said this is the violation of ADA. DHEC just says that “children must be accompanied by an adult” but does not define the word “children”
We do not have the money to hire a lifeguard. How do you balance protecting the HOA with not violating ADA?
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Since your attorney has weighed in, he or she should be advising you how to construct the language you should use for the safety of all concerned.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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It's not a violation of the ADA since the ADA has nothing to do with HOA's.
It is however a violation of the FHA. As far as age, I was about 10 when I went to the rec center with friends from
school, It was over a mile walk to and from. It was a more than a bit longer to walk or ride our bikes to the beach
in the summer.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
In North Carolina the magic age seems to be 14.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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Posted By LetA on 05/15/2024 8:46 AM
It's not a violation of the ADA since the ADA has nothing to do with HOA's.
It is however a violation of the FHA. As far as age, I was about 10 when I went to the rec center with friends from
school, It was over a mile walk to and from. It was a more than a bit longer to walk or ride our bikes to the beach
in the summer.

Were their lifeguards at the rec. center and the beach?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I would hope no thinking parent would let young children play at a pool without supervision, whether they can swim or not. When we had our pool, it was a swim at your own risk pool because it wasn't large enough to mandate a lifeguard. Even so, we required kids 13 and under to be accompanied by someone 18+, not only for safety but to reduce the chance of mayhem.

As it happened, teens and adults were most responsible for that, which is why we had pool monitors (off duty cops) who had the authority to shut it down if things got ugly. Too much BS eventually led to us getting rid of the pool altogether. Until then, no one objected to adult supervision

You can ask your attorney to double-check the ADA and fair housing rules to be safe (attorneys can be wrong) and then talk to your master insurance about alternatives to reduce risk.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our rule is: "Those 14 and under must be accompanied by someone 18 or older." It might help to keep out any family- relationship words like "parents." And there's no need to use a word like "children."

I think your attorney must be wrong or somehow off target.
LynneV1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 211
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I am in South Carolina also and the DHEC rules do say children under 14 must be accompanied by an adult. But they also say single adults are not allowed to swim alone. So, if no one else is at the pool, a single adult is not allowed to swim
until someone else shows up.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By PatJ1 on 05/15/2024 8:53 AM
Posted By LetA on 05/15/2024 8:46 AM
It's not a violation of the ADA since the ADA has nothing to do with HOA's.
It is however a violation of the FHA. As far as age, I was about 10 when I went to the rec center with friends from
school, It was over a mile walk to and from. It was a more than a bit longer to walk or ride our bikes to the beach
in the summer.


Were their lifeguards at the rec. center and the beach?

Yes on both Twas a different time then, everyone looked out for everyone. More often than not another
mom, grandma from the neighborhood or church was at the beach. We had more eyes on us than we ever knew.
The rec had a code of conduct, act up and you were out end of story sorry Charlie Tuna TBTS
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By LynneV1 on 05/15/2024 11:15 AM
I am in South Carolina also and the DHEC rules do say children under 14 must be accompanied by an adult. But they also say single adults are not allowed to swim alone. So, if no one else is at the pool, a single adult is not allowed to swim
until someone else shows up.

One would think that alone is discrimination against single people. Who comes up with these rules and regs?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Will you. please cite the exact words of the restriction against ppl. swimming alone, Lynn? And the exact name of the document?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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….. because everyone knows married people never swim alone.
RileyS (California)
Posts: 55
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Posted By KerryL1 on 05/15/2024 10:19 AM
Our rule is: "Those 14 and under must be accompanied by someone 18 or older." It might help to keep out any family- relationship words like "parents." And there's no need to use a word like "children."

I think your attorney must be wrong or somehow off target.

Iniestra v. Cliff Warren Investments, Inc., C.D.Cal.2012, 886 F.Supp.2d 1161 (California).

In this California case, an apartment complex rule stated that “Children under the age of 18 are not allowed in the pool or pool area at any time unless accompanied by their parents or legal guardian”. After being cited for violations of this rule, the plaintiff’s (a husband and wife with 3 children) filed suit alleging that the pool rule violated the Fair Housing Act. The court found that the rule was “facially discriminatory”, in that it “treated children, and families with children, differently and less favorably than adult-only households”. Once determined to be “facially discriminatory”, a defendant must establish that the subject regulation is the “least restrictive means to meet a compelling business necessity”. Citing to similar cases, the court held that “a prohibition on unsupervised swimming which would prevent even a 17-year old certified lifeguard from swimming unaccompanied is overly restrictive”. Similarly, “while the Court recognizes the inherent dangers of unsupervised swimming, the requirement of parent or legal guardian supervision transforms this rule from one that could be reasonably interpreted as a safety precaution to one that simply limits children and their families”. Although the court offered no guidance regarding pool rules, it wrote the following concerning noise and adult supervision: “Indeed, children might make noise even if their parents are present. More appropriate policies might have simply prevented children from playing near gates or on the roof tops, or required all residents to maintain a certain noise level.”
MarshallT (New York)
Posts: 414
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Your pool rule seems very reasonable because it is a safety issue, and other states enforce the same type of rule. Under 18 could be considered unreasonable, but under 14 is acceptable. I would change the language from parent to adult, and perhaps your lawyer could take a second look at this and provide more guidance if they believe it is discriminatory.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Welcome back, Marshall. How long has it been since we've heard from you?

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