BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 980
Posts: 980
Posted:
Once upon a time I was the President of a 5-member HOA Board, and I presided over an Open Meeting.
Afterwards, one of the attendees (not on the Board)(call him “G”) gave me a bunch of grief because I made several motions{1} during the course of the meeting, and according to him, Robert's Rules says it is A Very Bad Thing for the President to make a motion.
I responded “Thank you for your input. I’ll look into it.”
And I actually did look into it, and
a) I couldn’t find anything that required that we follow Robert’s Rules of Order.
b) I couldn’t find anything that required us to use any form of parliamentary procedure at all.
b) I ran across something called Robert’s Rules of Order for Small Assemblies{2}, which appears to allow Presidents to make motions (and other things to streamline meetings outside of the Palace of Westminster).
I’ll readily admit to my own rather shabby use of Robert’s Rules, which might make some people cringe the way I cringe when an actor in a Police Procedural looks at a crime photo on a computer and says “enhance!”{3}. I simply wanted to move through the agenda. I’m inclined to think that “G” brought home a trophy from his 8th grade Model United Nations and never passes up an opportunity to re-live that triumph. For what little it’s worth no-one else on the Board seems to know jack about about Robert’s Rules, either.
I really don’t have a specific question; mostly I’m curious about anything y’all might have to say about Robert’s Rules of Order in the HOA meeting environment: Love it? Hate it? Am I missing out on some subtle but awesome aspect? Tales of derring-do where someone used RRoO to rock the house? This "Small Assemblies" version seems like it would be a Big Deal, but from my reading I get the idea it isn't well-known.
Or am I incorrectly equating "Board President" with "Board Chairman"?
Thank you.
Bill
{1} ala “… thank you for that presentation! And now I’ll move that we proceed to the next item on the agenda …”
{2} 49:21 in Robert’s Rules of Order, Newly Revised 12th edition. “Small” means “12 people or less”. Please see {4} below.
{3} Harrison Ford in Bladerunner can do this, but no-one else.
{4}
Afterwards, one of the attendees (not on the Board)(call him “G”) gave me a bunch of grief because I made several motions{1} during the course of the meeting, and according to him, Robert's Rules says it is A Very Bad Thing for the President to make a motion.
I responded “Thank you for your input. I’ll look into it.”
And I actually did look into it, and
a) I couldn’t find anything that required that we follow Robert’s Rules of Order.
b) I couldn’t find anything that required us to use any form of parliamentary procedure at all.
b) I ran across something called Robert’s Rules of Order for Small Assemblies{2}, which appears to allow Presidents to make motions (and other things to streamline meetings outside of the Palace of Westminster).
I’ll readily admit to my own rather shabby use of Robert’s Rules, which might make some people cringe the way I cringe when an actor in a Police Procedural looks at a crime photo on a computer and says “enhance!”{3}. I simply wanted to move through the agenda. I’m inclined to think that “G” brought home a trophy from his 8th grade Model United Nations and never passes up an opportunity to re-live that triumph. For what little it’s worth no-one else on the Board seems to know jack about about Robert’s Rules, either.
I really don’t have a specific question; mostly I’m curious about anything y’all might have to say about Robert’s Rules of Order in the HOA meeting environment: Love it? Hate it? Am I missing out on some subtle but awesome aspect? Tales of derring-do where someone used RRoO to rock the house? This "Small Assemblies" version seems like it would be a Big Deal, but from my reading I get the idea it isn't well-known.
Or am I incorrectly equating "Board President" with "Board Chairman"?
Thank you.
Bill
{1} ala “… thank you for that presentation! And now I’ll move that we proceed to the next item on the agenda …”
{2} 49:21 in Robert’s Rules of Order, Newly Revised 12th edition. “Small” means “12 people or less”. Please see {4} below.
{3} Harrison Ford in Bladerunner can do this, but no-one else.
{4}
49:21 Procedure in Small Boards. In a board meeting where there are not more than about a dozen members present, some of the formality that is necessary in a large assembly would hinder business. The rules governing such meetings are different from the rules that hold in other assemblies, in
the following respects:
1) Members may raise a hand instead of standing when seeking to obtain the floor, and may remain seated while making motions or speaking.
2) Motions need not be seconded.
3) There is no limit to the number of times a member can speak to a debatable question.3 Appeals, however, are debatable under the regular rules—that is, each member (except the chair) can speak only once in debate on them, while the chair may speak twice.
4) Informal discussion of a subject is permitted while no motion is pending.
5) When a proposal is perfectly clear to all present, a vote can be taken without a motion’s having been introduced. Unless agreed to by unanimous consent, however, all proposed actions must be approved by vote under the same rules as in larger meetings, except that a vote can be taken initially by a show of hands, which is often a better method in small meetings.
6) The chairman need not rise while putting questions to a vote.
7) If the chairman is a member, he may, without leaving the chair, speak in informal discussions and in debate, and vote on all questions.*
* Informal discussion may be initiated by the chairman himself, which, in effect, enables the chairman to submit his own proposals without formally making a motion as described in 4:4–8 (although he has the right to make a motion if he wishes).
HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA
“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”
Austin, Texas USA
“You can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactor”