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TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Our Statement of Information was due 11/2023 but has not been filed. Does the Secretary of State really care?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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If the HOA is truly in violation of the biannual requirement, then I would expect the SoS will catch up to this and ultimately suspend the corporation. Seeing suspended corporations at SoS sites is not uncommon.

One can certainly call or email the SOS and ask about reporting a delinquent corporation et cetera, per https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/contact-information

Reference: https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Civil-Code-5405
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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The State may not care - they'll just eventually suspend the corporation.

The board and the membership sure as heck better care. If you're no longer a corporation, then you can't obtain insurance on the common areas, and you can't insure your monetary assets, and the board can't obtain D&O insurance. This is a hair-on-fire issue, and you'd better pray that the HOA doesn't get sued before it remedies the issue. Fortunately, the remedy is fairly straightforward.

If I were a member of this association, I'd point out this info to the board and light a fire under them.
AidylP1 (California)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 04/11/2024 7:28 AM
Our Statement of Information was due 11/2023 but has not been filed. Does the Secretary of State really care?

They will place the ass0ciation in suspension. If suspended by the FTB, you be in deep doo-doo.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Does the state wait 2 years before suspending?
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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That may depend on what else is going on in the office (and given what's going on in LA right now, I suspect this isn't a high priority right now).

Nonetheless, if the paperwork hasn't been filed, you could call the office and see if there's a penalty for late filing. If so, compel the rest of the board to get this done, pay the late fee and keep it moving.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Lest I forget - I don't know where you, Kerry and the other California posters are, but if you're in the LA area, I hope you and your family are ok.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Thank you, Shelia. We have LA friends with losses but we are in Northern CA.
AstridL (California)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/11/2024 8:35 AMIf you're no longer a corporation, then you can't obtain insurance on the common areas, and you can't insure your monetary assets, and the board can't obtain D&O insurance.

We’re a unincorporated non-profit association in Cali. Where does it say we can’t get D&O insurance because I think we have it?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Google can be your friend - here's what I found when I looked up "do non-profits need D & O insurance"

"Yes, nonprofits need directors and officers (D&O) insurance. D&O insurance protects nonprofit leaders from lawsuits and allegations of wrongdoing. It also helps protect the organization's mission and assets.

Why nonprofits need D&O insurance:

* Protects leaders: D&O insurance protects nonprofit leaders from lawsuits and allegations of wrongdoing.
* Protects the organization: D&O insurance helps protect the organization's mission and assets.
* Helps recruit board members: D&O insurance can help nonprofits attract community leaders and business executives to serve on their board.
* Helps cover legal costs: D&O insurance helps cover defense costs, settlements, and judgments.

What D&O insurance covers

* Fiduciary malfeasance
* Wrongful termination claims
* Mismanagement
* Neglect
* Breach of duty
* Employment practices liability (EPLI)
* Cyber/privacy liability

What other steps nonprofits can take:

*Develop a risk management plan
* Consider adding other coverages based on the organization's size and scope"

That last paragraph could be useful for any HOA, in my opinion.

You shouldn't be guessing if you have D & O insurance - get a copy of your association's master policy and read it. Take a look at your documents to remind yourself what the association is responsible for and what assets it has, then talk to your insurance carrier and association about other things the board can do to reduce the association's risk. An internet search isn't the end of doing your due dilligence -

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AstridL (California)
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Posted By SheliaH on 02/03/2025 4:51 AM
Google can be your friend - here's what I found when I looked up "do non-profits need D & O insurance"-

CathyA3 said if you're not a corporation the board can't obtain D&O insurance. We're unincorporated so I wanted to know where does it say we can’t get D&O insurance otherwise what CathyA3 said is wrong?
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AstridL on 02/03/2025 11:44 AM

CathyA3 said if you're not a corporation the board can't obtain D&O insurance. We're unincorporated so I wanted to know where does it say we can’t get D&O insurance otherwise what CathyA3 said is wrong?
CathyA3's blanket statement is no longer valid.

Decades ago the common law (case law) said unincorporated associations were not a legal entity, hence they could not enter into contracts. This is no longer necessarily the case. For one, several states have adopted the Uniform Unincorporated Nonprofit Association Act. The latter has specific provisions for D&O insurance For another, it appears there are work-arounds to get officers and directors insured.

If you want to know exactly what California says about insurance and unincorporated associations, ask.
AstridL (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 02/03/2025 12:06 PM
Posted By AstridL on 02/03/2025 11:44 AM

CathyA3 said if you're not a corporation the board can't obtain D&O insurance. We're unincorporated so I wanted to know where does it say we can’t get D&O insurance otherwise what CathyA3 said is wrong?
CathyA3's blanket statement is no longer valid.

If you want to know exactly what California says about insurance and unincorporated associations, ask.

Exactly what does Cali say about insurance and unincorporated associations?
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AstridL on 02/03/2025 12:33 PM

Exactly what does Cali say about insurance and unincorporated associations?
"Exactly"?

I will give you a huge start. No charge.

First see California Corporations Code, Title 3 "Unincorporated Associations," https://casetext.com/statute/california-codes/corporations-code-corp/title-3-unincorporated-associations-18000-240015. This statute section says a //great// deal about insurance and indemnifications for associations like yours.

Second the California Civil Code says that the Davis-Stirling Act applies to unincorporated associations and incorporated associations alike, as long as the other criteria for common area (or "common interests") are met. Certain provisions of the D-S Act require certain insurance. See the D-S Act at 5800 to 5810, https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/Statutes/Davis-Stirling-Act-Civil-Codes
AstridL (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 02/03/2025 12:55 PM
Posted By AstridL on 02/03/2025 12:33 PM

Exactly what does Cali say about insurance and unincorporated associations?
"Exactly"?

Exactly was your word! "If you want to know exactly what California says about insurance and unincorporated associations, ask." I’ve been reading posts and you’re real busy on this site and I don’t consider other peoples opinions of you, that was real helpful.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 1,339
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AstridL, I did say "exactly." I apologize.

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