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TomM25 (Texas)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Like to understand when and how a special meeting of members can be called and what is the impact of their actions/votes.

Quorum:
Texas non-profit statute:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm
Sec. 22.155. SPECIAL MEETINGS OF MEMBERS. A special meeting of the members of a corporation may be called by:

(1) the president;

(2) the board of directors;

(3) members having not less than one-tenth of the votes entitled to be cast at the meeting; or

(4) other officers or persons as provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws of the corporation.

Our bylaws:
State 1/4 of votes entitled.

So when bylaws conflict on quorum - does state law prevail and 1/10th is enough?

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomM25 on 04/07/2024 9:20 PM
Like to understand when and how a special meeting of members can be called and what is the impact of their actions/votes.

Quorum:
Texas non-profit statute:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm
Sec. 22.155. SPECIAL MEETINGS OF MEMBERS. A special meeting of the members of a corporation may be called by:

(1) the president;

(2) the board of directors;

(3) members having not less than one-tenth of the votes entitled to be cast at the meeting; or

(4) other officers or persons as provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws of the corporation.

Our bylaws:
State 1/4 of votes entitled.

So when bylaws conflict on quorum - does state law prevail and 1/10th is enough?


The “or” in (3)means your bylaws prevail and you need 1/4 the HOA members to call the meeting. What they can do at the meeting is provided in in your documents.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I read that section differently.

A special meeting of the membership may be called by:

a) The President OR
b) The Board (by majority vote) OR
c) The membership who have a petition signed by at least 10% of the voting interest OR
d) Others as (if) designated in the governing documents.

That said, since your bylaws specify 25% of the voting interest is needed to call a meeting, it's likely that this is what your board will go with and legal action may be needed to convince them differently.

My advice, go at least 5% more then identified - in your situation, that would be 30% or more. This way, it would be very difficult for the board to argue the issue.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By TomM25 on 04/07/2024 9:20 PM

So when bylaws conflict on quorum - does state law prevail and 1/10th is enough?


If there is a conflict between governing documents and applicable statutes, the statutes must be followed UNLESS control is given to the governing documents.

Specific to your question, TX corporate statutes defer control of quorum to the bylaws [emphasis added]:

Sec. 22.159. QUORUM OF MEMBERS. (a) Unless otherwise provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws of a corporation, members of the corporation holding one-tenth of the votes entitled to be cast, in person or by proxy, constitute a quorum.

(b) The vote of the majority of the votes entitled to be cast by the members present or represented by proxy at a meeting at which a quorum is present is the act of the members meeting, unless the vote of a greater number is required by law or the certificate of formation or bylaws.

(c) Unless otherwise provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws, a church incorporated before May 12, 1959, is considered to have provided in the certificate of formation or bylaws that members present at a meeting for which notice has been given constitute a quorum.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomM25 on 04/07/2024 9:20 PM
Like to understand when and how a special meeting of members can be called and what is the impact of their actions/votes.

Quorum:
Texas non-profit statute:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm
Sec. 22.155. SPECIAL MEETINGS OF MEMBERS. A special meeting of the members of a corporation may be called by:

(1) the president;

(2) the board of directors;

(3) members having not less than one-tenth of the votes entitled to be cast at the meeting; or

(4) other officers or persons as provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws of the corporation.

Our bylaws:
State 1/4 of votes entitled.

So when bylaws conflict on quorum - does state law prevail and 1/10th is enough?

-- This is not about quorum. This is about the requirements for calling a special meeting.

-- I believe there is no genuine conflict between BO 22.155 (3) and the bylaw. Why? Because "1/4 of votes entitled" exceeds "one-tenth of the votes entitled." Satisfying the bylaw satisfies the statute sub-section.

-- This is very much like an alleged "conflict" between a city ordinance, setting a minimum wall height of three feet, and a HOA covenant, setting the minimum at four feet. Is there a genuine conflict in the eyes of the law? No. Why? Because walls that are four feet or higher meet the requirements of both the city ordinance and the covenant.
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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What do you mean when you say " . . . what is the impact of their actions/votes."?

The Special Meeting is called for a single purpose which requires the approval of a stated percentage of the owners. For example:

If you are in a situation in which one or more members of the Board of Directors is to be recalled and others are to be seated, then the impact is a straight up or down vote result: he/she/they are recalled or they are not.

If the situation is approval of a Special Assessment or a proposed periodic Assessment increase greater than is allowed in the Declaration, again the impact is either the Special Assessment is approved, or the Assessment Increase is approved, or it is not.

Be very careful with respect to the percentage of approval required. Some documents state a percentage of the owners must approve, other documents state a percentage of the owners present in person or by proxy at a Special Meeting called for the purpose of doing whatever it is you wish to do. The hard numbers required may vary significantly depending on the language in the documents.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As Bill advised:

Be very careful with respect to the percentage of approval required. Some documents state a percentage of the owners must approve, other documents state a percentage of the owners present in person or by proxy at a Special Meeting called for the purpose of doing whatever it is you wish to do. The hard numbers required may vary significantly depending on the language in the documents.

I have seen many cases where people believed it was a % of members at a meeting versus a % a OF ALL MEMBERS.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Please clarify for me. You wrote: "Our bylaws: State 1/4 of votes entitled." Does that refer to the number needed to "call" the special meeting? Or the number required for a "quorum" AT the meeting? Thanks.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 04/08/2024 2:10 PM
Please clarify for me. You wrote: "Our bylaws: State 1/4 of votes entitled." Does that refer to the number needed to "call" the special meeting? Or the number required for a "quorum" AT the meeting? Thanks.

I have never heard of a quorum required at a Special Meeting but I am not saying there should not be.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The OP uses the. word "quorum" in his OP, JohnC, so that's why I asked my question.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 04/09/2024 9:36 AM
I have never heard of a quorum required at a Special Meeting but I am not saying there should not be.
I think maybe there are some miscommunications/misunderstandings going on here.

South Carolina's nonprofit corporation act gives the number for a quorum for a meeting of the members (owners), be it a Special Meeting or the Annual Meeting or any other meeting of the members (owners).

Whether the OP's interest is the quorum number required for a meeting to conduct business; or the OP's interest is the number it takes to call a Special meeting, remains unclear to me.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You have two conversations – one on special homeowner meetings and the other on HOA vote recounting. It may be a little easier (for me, anyway) to start at the beginning. I prefer to start with the association documents because your state law may have been written to only apply to associations established after a certain date or state the association documents take precedence if they’re tougher than what’s in the state statute. Sometimes reading them both gets everyone confused.

Anyway, what was the special meeting for – a board recall or something else? What do your documents say about the number of votes per home and how many homes are in your community? Simply saying your bylaws say ¼ of votes entitled isn’t enough – what came before and after that?

For example, your documents might say a special meeting can be called by the president, the board or ¼ of the homeowners. If it’s one vote per unit and you have, say, 150 homes in your community, ¼ is 25%, meaning 25% of 150, or 38 homeowners (I rounded up the number) would have to sign a petition to call the special meeting.

If your documents don’t say anything at all, you might be ok with going with the 1/10 listed in the statute or 15 homeowners. Note if you have two or more owners of one unit, that doesn’t mean everyone gets to vote – they have to decide among themselves what their one vote will be and who will cast it. Since your documents do mention ¼ of votes, that’s what I would go with.

As far as the entitled part is concerned, that may refer to whatever your documents require for homeowners to participate in the vote, e.g. they are current in all assessments, are listed as the owner on the deed, and perhaps don’t have any pending legal action against the association (which may range from a appealing a CCR violation to an alternative dispute resolution hearing and back to a formal lawsuit).

Now, let me run over to your other conversation to give you my take on that question…..

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 04/09/2024 10:40 AM
Posted By JohnC46 on 04/09/2024 9:36 AM
I have never heard of a quorum required at a Special Meeting but I am not saying there should not be.
I think maybe there are some miscommunications/misunderstandings going on here.

South Carolina's nonprofit corporation act gives the number for a quorum for a meeting of the members (owners), be it a Special Meeting or the Annual Meeting or any other meeting of the members (owners).

Whether the OP's interest is the quorum number required for a meeting to conduct business; or the OP's interest is the number it takes to call a Special meeting, remains unclear to me.

Elle

Not to disagree, but please point me to the specific section. Thanks
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I read the link to say 10% for "any member meeting" unless other wise called for in the Bylaws. That does answer my question. There has to be a Quorum at a Special Meeting. Our Bylaws say 20% for a Quorum.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Not sure if Tim is speaking of the USA or SC, or what? But if a general statement, see my CA HOA's newly restated Bylaws:

"Section 2.10. Quorum Requirements. Except as otherwise expressly required by Section 3.8(d) [25% quorum req. for recall] of these Bylaws or by law, no quorum shall be required for any election."

The major HOA law firm in CA. recs removing quorum requirements for elections as does our HOA's attorney.

But this post is about Texas.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'm assuming that the number of homeowners needed to call for a special meeting (ie, how many must sign the petition that's delivered to the board) is not the same as the number of owners who must be present at the actual meeting either in person or by proxy (ie, the quorum).

Correct? Not correct?

For example, our bylaws require the petition to be signed by 10% of the voting interest, but the quorum for the annual or special meeting is 20%.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomM25 on 04/07/2024 9:20 PM
Like to understand when and how a special meeting of members can be called and what is the impact of their actions/votes.

Quorum:
Texas non-profit statute:
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm
Sec. 22.155. SPECIAL MEETINGS OF MEMBERS. A special meeting of the members of a corporation may be called by:

(1) the president;

(2) the board of directors;

(3) members having not less than one-tenth of the votes entitled to be cast at the meeting; or

(4) other officers or persons as provided by the certificate of formation or bylaws of the corporation.

Our bylaws:
State 1/4 of votes entitled.

So when bylaws conflict on quorum - does state law prevail and 1/10th is enough?


Since all members are entitled to cast a vote, #3 indicates a minimum of 10% of the members can call a meeting.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
If your bylaws say 25% is member quorum, then it seems once the 10% of the members call the meeting, 25% of the members must be present at the meeting to conduct business.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/10/2024 11:26 AM
I'm assuming that the number of homeowners needed to call for a special meeting (ie, how many must sign the petition that's delivered to the board) is not the same as the number of owners who must be present at the actual meeting either in person or by proxy (ie, the quorum).

Correct? Not correct?

For example, our bylaws require the petition to be signed by 10% of the voting interest, but the quorum for the annual or special meeting is 20%.

Same here.

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