visitors length of stay

Jane,
My rental unit is in an association that requires written permission from the BOD for any person staying in any unit for more than 30 days as a guest. That guest obtains a Limited Guest parking sticker with the date on it. They try really hard to know who is in the units just as a security factor. But this is a side by side villa situation.

If you are single family homes, normally your CC&Rs will state that the lots are designated as "single family residents", which means NO TENANTS living with families. We have had this discussion before as to what constitutes a family.

Who's the lucky person who gets to be "visitor police" to clock these people in and out and make certain they don't stay an extra day? And we wonder why there is negative media attention.

Jane,
Because you and I are in Florida, the rental game is played differently down here and we both know how some people try to get around the rules for occupancy. I know what you are trying to get across to the others. Sometimes, guests come for "extended stays" Like 3 or more months) The "paradise name" lures them all and so many just forget to go back home.

My rental association handles their occupancy just like your does. Every owner must be on the membership docket, just as renters do. It is simply a security and insurance item to request knowing who occupies each unit. And that goes for guests who extend their stays. We don't need the "rental police" to know that there are extra cars in the driveways and extra people at the pool on a regular basis. Security cameras tells us so.

Harold,
This problem or proposed answer is not meant to monitor people who come and go in and out of the association property as visitors. It is meant to control people who make their visits into a semi permanent stay without letting the association know that they are living on the property and have not gone thru the "interview" process. The key words here are to let the association know who is living there after an extended time.

There are hundreds of thousands of " seasonal residents" who blanket our communities each winter and they stay between 2 to 6 months. That means increased security, more people using the pools and other amenities. And then there are always more 911 calls. Associations have a right to know who is on the common grounds and personal parking places and driveways. How else would there be any safety controls for the community, especially all of those that are gated and supposedly secured.

We had an elderly couple who used the pool area daily for 2 months until someone asked them who they were. Seems, they found a breach in a fence, tiny as it was, and used the community pool. Not that they were being bad but the chaise lounges get to be scarce in season and there lies the problem.

We've been down this path (somewhat) before. I tend to like Donna's 30 day visitor sticker, so that you have some control, but it does become a real monitoring challenge.

The parking rules need to be simple to understand, simple to administrate, and simple to enforce. I've give you a clause that approximates what you're looking for, but I will tell you that this is very difficult to monitor. How do you really prove who is a resident? and who is a guest? "Visitor / Visitor vehicles: A visitor and/or visitor vehicle in Community X is an individual (and his/her vehicle, whether owned, borrowed or merely operated) who does not own, rent, or otherwise reside within Community X, and who visits no more 30 days. Visitor permit parking is limited to 30 consecutive calendar days in any of the visitor space(s) within the community unless the board grants written permission otherwise to extend."

"This problem or proposed answer is not meant to monitor people who come and go in and out of the association property as visitors. It is meant to control people who make their visits into a semi permanent stay" And how do you know someone is semi permanent without monitoring who comes and goes?

And it puzzles me somewhat that if I enter into a long-term relationship, whether I marry that person or not, and he moves in with me, that I have to "vet" that person in my own home.

What if you "disapprove"?

It's MY significant other.

That truly puzzles me. That's one of the worst infringements I've heard to date.

Basically, quit making something out of nothing, Significant others or clones, it doesn't matter. There is no approval, just a registration of who is living in the units. Owners have to do it so why not "others"? We aren't talking about stand alone houses, just where they all have to share common amenities, elements and close proximity uses.
How about sexual preditor registrations? Are they okay next to your kids?

Jane,
As you can see by the above posts, there are people who do not feel that having these long time "guests" register as being living in the community, will not agree with the concept. There are so many issues that every single body count affects within a close proximity community, but security is the most important. You had the rule before and it worked so just adopt it again. As I said, one of my rental community requires it and registration for all works for them.

DonnaS
Thank you for your input. Security is the reason why background checks are done. Before they were required we had trouble with renters who were dealing drugs. So were not talking about misdemeanor offenses. The sexual predator list is also checked. The BOD has a responsibility to all residents in the community to provide a safe environment.

DonnaS said: " How about sexual preditor registrations? Are they okay next to your kids?"

That was a fairly disingenuous and purposefully emotionally targeted comment.

So, it's all about the "kids" huh?

Give me a break.

I was under the APPARENTLY incorrect understanding that what was being discussed here was that people were having live-ins (boyfriends, girlfriends, significant others) who would somehow be required to get a freaking background check to live in the home with their loved ones.

A simple clarification of that would have sufficed. Not the snarky "Are sexual predators okay next to your kids?"

Willie Horton-ish, to say the least.

And we are discovering here in Kentucky, that sexual predator registrations ARE running afoul of our constitution, so, whether it would be "okay" with me or not will probably be moot soon.

RobertR1: Thanks for putting us back on the "targeted subject". I would rather not get involved in the he said/she said which goes on here of late and of which there are many who just want to outdo the other poster or to 'throw out a barb'. I have better things to do with my time. So, to continue....

No one has brought up the fact that there is a direct effect on the association, as a whole, when 'visitors' stay for a period of time. No, they are not on the deed, and aside from the fact that it may be a single family home (which could no doubt house 3-4 persons), the reality is it impacts greatly in two association areas: 1) Parking; 2) Use of amenities.

Therefore, I concur that it is in the best interest of the Association for a resident owner to advise the Board when there will be 'visitor/s' for a period of time. No one has to then question who is that 'stranger' in the pool or on the tennis court; or whose owns that car parked next to mine...?

There are those who absolutely DO NOT want to be answerable to anyone else and will refuse to inform of the situation. But, after all, it is the Board's role of authority and they are to be provided the info when a situation occurs.
It doesn't have to be a big deal--only that they should be made aware.
IMO, it is again a matter for the use of common sense.

Jane our docs state a guest can stay 30 days per calandar year. If itis not in the docs, you should change them.Also 2 people per bedroom in house(2 bedroom 4 people) etc...

Laverne - now you are counting bedroom occupancy in Florida? Just amazing. Harold

Did anyone ever see "In Her Shoes" with Cameron Diaz, Shirley MacLaine, and Toni Collette? Awesome movie and this post reminds me of it due to the extended visitor issue. Just thought I'd throw that out there and then stay out of this issue, too heated for me.

MicheleD & HaroldS apparently don't get it. They are just way too testy. Our condominium complex HOA is currently in the process of amending and restating our CC&R's, I just found this site after searching for "How to define a tenant and a guest in a condominium HOA". I was looking for this because I am on the BOD and we definately have problems with tenants renting a condo from the owner and putting two names on the lease. We only allow a maximum of 4 people in each unit. Then us homeowners start seeing three adults and 4 children coming & goining from the unit.So we are looking for a way to properly / legally state the definition of a guest or invitee in our new CC&R's so that we can control this problem. OF COURSE we won't have the "guest police" monitoring "comings & goings" of all people in the complex (sorry MicheleD & HaroldS), but when several residents notice too many people appearing to live at one unit for several weeks or months, then we have the "teeth" in the CC&R's that will enable us to enforce it!

Steve,

And this has had what impact on the quality of your life?

You have yet to state the 'problem' this has caused.

The problem appears you and the others have nothing else to do but 'observe' your neighbors despite your statement to the contrary.

"one doth protest too much"

I would be shocked to hear of a case where this was actually enforceable. If I were the extra resident I would say I was babysitting. I would claim not to live there but just be visiting a LOT. I would say PROVE it.

The MUST be something more relevant these bylaw police can do with their time.

at a time before I was on the Board we were being told that our Master Deed could not be changed at the same time the Board decided to change the word "register" to "apply" so that they could do a background check. Of cours the current Board does not insist people "apply" only "register" with the Secretary.

As Secretary, this does cause some extra work for me. But I am glad our units are selling.

Our main problem with "visitors" is with people under 55 "visiting" for extended periods. We are working on a fine schedule, but not eager to start fining. If s

Before I moved into my condo unit there was a young man lvinging in a unit with his aunts. This young man caused many problems, including beating up his aunts and doing drug deals. The Board at that time did get a restraining order against him.

This young man is older now; has changed and become a responsible working adult. But as a senior community, we need to be concerned about the safety of our older residents.