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ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
Does your management company contract contain any financial penalties for failure to perform certain tasks?

Right now our contract only has the option for termination for lack of performance.

I would like to add some penalties like we do homeowners for violating rules.

TIA

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Contracts favor those who write them.

You can certainly propose monetary penalties.
However, the management company may refuse to agree to it, which will leave you with the options of sign the contract they offered or keep looking for a MC.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
That does not sound like it is in the scope of what your PM contract is. Plus your HOA may not understand the relationship with the PM. Time to do some work to figure that out.

Former HOA President
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
No.

The contracts we have with our clients have no such language.

My initial reaction is the parties should discuss why the terms and conditions are not being met and changes should be made to the contract language if appropriate. For example, some of our clients asked for monthly financial reports in their contract, we found quarterly reports present just as useful a picture for small properties with mid-five figure annual budgets and regular recurring monthly/quarterly expenditures for utilities, landscape maintenance, and pest control.

If failure to perform certain tasks continues, consideration should be given to termination of the relationship.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Tim,
You are 100% correct about Contracts favor the one who rights them.

This reminds me of my days looking for new PMCs in both Ca. and Texas. The large PMCs are almost impossible to work with regarding contract changes. They flat out refused in both States even on minor details. Most want a 2-year contract and I get the reason for it but when you have been burned by your previous PMC this was a no deal for us. While negotiating I told them I hope your company will be our vendor for 10+ years but we cannot commit to this term. They would not change a thing.

In both cases we ended up going to smaller PMCs and have had fabulous success. Don't get me wrong we did not pick a Mom and Pop company just not anyone of the big national companies.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
OURS SAYS THEY WILL PAY FOR AUDIT, IF THEY MAKE MISTAKES, HOWEVER WHEN i CALLED THEM OUT ON IT, THEY REFUSED TO HONOR IT.

If the Association requires an audit, the Association shall be required to pay all expenses related to the audit unless
the audit reveals an overall discrepancy in excess of five percent of the budgeted annual receipts or expenses attributed to the gross
negligence of Agent. In such event, the Agent will reimburse the Association for any additional audit expenses directly related to the
discrepancy. Such fees shall be payable monthly in advance on the first day of each month during the term hereof. If the Association
is unable to pay for services on the first day of each month a late fee of $75.00 will be assessed. In the event, any balance remains
unpaid for more than 30 days, CSM is authorized to cease any work on behalf of the Association until such balance is paid in full.

ALSO AVOID ARBITRATAION AND LITIGATION OUT OF STATE LIKE THIS CLAUSE ( WE ARE IN NC, THEY HAVE AN OFFICE IN NC, BUT DISPUTES ARE IN WYOMING!)
15. In the event of any dispute between the parties hereto as to the terms of this Agreement, such dispute shall be submitted to
binding arbitration in accordance with the then current rules of the American Arbitration Association before a single arbitrator
selected from the Panel of Arbitrators of the American Arbitration Association, in Laramie County, Wyoming. It is further agreed
that a judgment on the award of the arbitrator may be entered by any court of competent jurisdiction.

WHEN I SIGNED THE CONTRACT I THOUGHT HOW BAD CAN THEY SCREW THINGS UP IN ONE YEAR. I THOUGHT ABOUT CHALLENGING THEM ON THIS PART OF THE CONTRACT, BUT ALREADY PISSED THEM OFF ENOUGH WITH OTHER CHANGES, LIKE DECREASING CLOSING COSTS FROM $400 TO $150 FOR RESIDENTS.
WELL THEY HAVE TAKEN OVER $2500 OUT OF OUR ACCOUNT AND ARE SO IN COMPETENT IT WASTES A TON OF TIME.

vis ta vie
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
I will let everyone know how it goes over the next few weeks.

Its time for a come to Jesus meeting with our current PM

TristaJ (Texas)
Posts: 96
Posted:
we're in Texas. What smaller company did you end up using?
ArtB1 (Florida)
Posts: 97
Posted:
we cannot post actual management company names here.

Board rules.
TristaJ (Texas)
Posts: 96
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkM19 on 03/30/2024 6:41 AM
Tim,
You are 100% correct about Contracts favor the one who rights them.

This reminds me of my days looking for new PMCs in both Ca. and Texas. The large PMCs are almost impossible to work with regarding contract changes. They flat out refused in both States even on minor details. Most want a 2-year contract and I get the reason for it but when you have been burned by your previous PMC this was a no deal for us. While negotiating I told them I hope your company will be our vendor for 10+ years but we cannot commit to this term. They would not change a thing.

In both cases we ended up going to smaller PMCs and have had fabulous success. Don't get me wrong we did not pick a Mom and Pop company just not anyone of the big national companies.

Mark, can you e-mail me the smaller management companies in Texas y'all used? tristacsr at icloud dot com

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