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AnnS12 (Wisconsin)
Posts: 67
Posted:
We are a 56 unit condo association. We own our street. We have always had a snow removal contract that includes snow removal from the street, all driveways and shoveling of walkways and front porches.

I'm wondering what other associations are doing with snow removal contracts considerering the lack of snow we've had this year. Our contract runs from November 1st through March 30. So far this year they have plowed and shoveled 3 times. We pay over $5000.00 monthly for these 5 months. If we get over 2" of snow they come, night or day. Not unusual to hear them shoveling at 3:00a.m.

Is anyone structuring a contract based on the amount of snow received and/or the amount of times they provide service.

We know next year could be a totally different story, but in the 7 years I've lived here the winters have gotten milder with less snow. This year we had one week where we got 26inches of snow in one week. That's the only time they've had to come out.

Any suggestions on how to structure a new contract are welcome.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You could change the contract to have the contractor come out after 3+ inches have fallen - this has been our rule for several years and it seems to work. I might also toss the shoveling of the front porches - homeowners should be able to do that themselves or pay a teenager to do it.

If you've used the same contractor for several years, it may also be time to request RFPs from a few others to see if you can get a better deal. the current contractor should also be allowed to submit a bid - if they're reliable, it might be worth keeping them and perhaps you can negotiate better terms bcause you're a long time customer.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Well, the amount of snow received will drive the number of visits to a large extent, as will the kind of precipitation and the temperatures. We tend to get ice around here, and depending on what the temperatures may do, it may make sense to pre-treat the streets. Other times it doesn't - you'll end up with a sheet of ice under several inches of snow, and the ice isn't going anywhere because the temps are in the single digits or teens, salt won't work, and nothing is melting until the temperatures rise.

Also, it's more expensive to bring the big equipment because of fuel costs. So depending on how much you get and how fast the snow is coming down and how much is predicted, it may make more sense to make a two or three trips with smaller equipment instead of waiting until the snow stops and you have to bring in the big plows to move it all.

There's a real art to snow removal, in other words.

So our contracts are based on the number of visits and the type of equipment used. We budget for an average winter. If we don't spend everything, the excess goes into something called our "snow reserve" where we can tap it the next time we have a bad winter. We label it this way to help prevent spendy board members from going "oh hey, money!!" and spending on some unplanned expense.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By SheliaH on 03/13/2024 11:44 AM
You could change the contract to have the contractor come out after 3+ inches have fallen - this has been our rule for several years and it seems to work. ... snip ...

Your membership is more docile than ours. :-)

A previous board tried that a number of years ago. Not only did the membership blow up the manager's and board president's phones, they also called my boss (we were still selling in this community). Realtors also called my boss and complained about the "bad HOA". My employer did have some words with our management company, which at the time got a lot of business from us. We expressed concern at getting a bad reputation among realtors and how that could affect current and future sales (and contracts with management companies). No threats, just "concern". But messages were received and the board promptly went back to the normal two inch trigger for clearing the snow.

Speaking of contracts, multi-year contracts can get the price down. Many boards don't like to do this, but if you have a reputable company that does good work, it can pay off. If you're using a management company and the contractor does a lot of business with them, it tends to keep them on their toes.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I would keep in mind that here, the HOA is buying an insurance policy (for snow removal) as much as it is buying snow removal services.

Also inflation has taken a toll.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
Hi,

I live in the East coast over here. Had a flat rate snow contract switched to pay as you go based on inches. Also there needs to be a minimum of 2 inches. Folks have to pitch in to help when it's icy or 2 or less inches. The winters are getting very mild and we are barely getting snow. We are saving money but we are not in WI. The other pieces of advice are solid in the forum.

Thanks.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Snow removal can be hit or miss, this scope of work is more detailed than just plowing the parking lot and streets.
Honestly, get bids from vendors that have either an industrial walk behind snow blower or a quad with a plow.
you need to consider if you want to add salting to the tasks performed, these cost add up due to the labor, materials
and equipment needed to complete the job.

You just might want to piece this out, truck and plow to do the streets, parking lot and driveways and a landscaper
that has the equipment to do the sidewalks.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By GregoryT1 on 03/13/2024 1:13 PM
Hi,

I live in the East coast over here. Had a flat rate snow contract switched to pay as you go based on inches. Also there needs to be a minimum of 2 inches. Folks have to pitch in to help when it's icy or 2 or less inches. The winters are getting very mild and we are barely getting snow. We are saving money but we are not in WI. The other pieces of advice are solid in the forum.

Thanks.


You need to be very careful about homeowners "pitching in". Our lawyers told us NOT to use volunteers for dealing with snow and ice, not even young able-bodied ones. It's basically asking to be sued - if someone has a heart attack, the association will be liable because the person was doing work for *for the association*. And if the association isn't carrying the right kind of insurance, you'll be in a world of hurt. One of the benefits of hiring pros is that you can require their companies to insure their workers (same as with other vendors).

As an aside, we don't want homeowners picking up salt at the local store and throwing it all over - it destroys concrete. It's cheaper in the long run for the association or the snow removal folks to put down a different substance.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
In my past association, our contract paid an hourly rate when they had to plow.

Expensive some years. Not as expensive when snowfall is light.

I'd suggest renegotiating your contract.
Always get bids.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
We pay our maintenance company by the inch and for salting/sanding visits.
GregoryT1
Posts: 315
Posted:
howdy,

I agree with you. We are a tiny condo building with no parking lot. Just a stoop and a small sidewalk section. Under 2 inches it's manageable. But I do agree it's an issue when we ourselves do the work.

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