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JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Lately we've been having a lot of fussing about trailer parking.

Here is what the covenants say about about parking:
>No boat, boat trailer, house trailer, camper, camper trailer, recreational vehicle, or similar item shall be stored or permanently continually, or regularly parked in and on any street, or in the open on any lot or driveway.

My question for you is: does this restrict work trailers? One of our member's real estate agent read the covenants before they purchased and concluded their work trailer is fine. I agree.

I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, but the logic looks quite clear to me. That is a specific list of items, prohibiting 3 specific types of trailers. It seems to me if we can use that to prohibit any trailer, we can also prohibit houses. i.e. if we can split “trailer” from “house trailer” under the “or similar” clause, can't we also prohibit houses?

The HOA does not have a relationship with any attorney. I'll be recommending we find a real estate attorney and pay them for an hour of their to write us an opinion on that. But I'm curious how you read that.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
A trailer is a trailer is a trailer is a trailer.

Almost all HOA's allow some leeway for the homeowner to load and unload the trailer, boat, RV, etc.
usually 24 hours or overnight, not long-term.

My best advice is, if it fits it stays. Park it in the garage. I have a friend who has a boat and one of the caveats
he told the dealer is the trailer must have a swing-out tongue so the boat could be completely parked in the garage
with the door down

I passed on buying a mini teardrop camper because it was 5" too tall because of the top-mounted AC. I want one
with the AC mounted on the bulkhead so I can stow it in the garage.

Out of sight, out of mind.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
What is a “work trailer?” Would it be a”similar Item” as in your covenants as also not allowed?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Joe,

1. A realtor is not the board and the board will make such determination.

2. Per your citation, I believe it does include work trailers based on the following phrase: ...or similar item . . .
A nice catch all. Sort of like "and other duties as assigned" in descriptions of work for jobs.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JoeB20 on 02/28/2024 7:54 PM
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I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, but the logic looks quite clear to me. That is a specific list of items, prohibiting 3 specific types of trailers. It seems to me if we can use that to prohibit any trailer, we can also prohibit houses. i.e. if we can split “trailer” from “house trailer” under the “or similar” clause, can't we also prohibit houses?


Stop thinking like an engineer and start thinking like your high school English teacher.

In the expression "house trailer", you don't have two nouns (house and trailer), you have a noun being used as an adjective (house) followed by a regular noun (trailer). You see this in other expressions (house cat, house dress, etc.)

So you can't separate them without changing the meaning, because the adjective (house) is describing the type of trailer they're talking about.

If this isn't persuasive, consider how likely it would be that legal documents governing HOAs would prohibit houses. Not very, huh?

I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the quoted section would also ban work trailers. I would look at the probable reasoning behind it (what is it about those items that would necessitate a ban) and ask myself if work trailers have the same features. Probably yes - size, weight, aesthetics, etc.
JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 02/29/2024 4:13 AM
Joe,

1. A realtor is not the board and the board will make such determination.

2. Per your citation, I believe it does include work trailers based on the following phrase: ...or similar item . . .
A nice catch all. Sort of like "and other duties as assigned" in descriptions of work for jobs.


My reason for considering the agent's opinion goes like this:

1. the only opinion that really matters is a judge issuing a ruling.
2. Short of that, an opinion from a real estate attorney should be quite reliable, even though not binding
3. Short of that, the real estate agent (being in the industry and on occasion trying to discern such things) would likely have a better guess than the rest of us.

It has also been suggested that we survey the residents and them what they want it to mean.

Are you suggesting the board has the authority to issue a binding determination? That would be wonderful!
JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 02/29/2024 4:47 AM
Posted By JoeB20 on 02/28/2024 7:54 PM
... snip ...

I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, but the logic looks quite clear to me. That is a specific list of items, prohibiting 3 specific types of trailers. It seems to me if we can use that to prohibit any trailer, we can also prohibit houses. i.e. if we can split “trailer” from “house trailer” under the “or similar” clause, can't we also prohibit houses?



... snip ...
If this isn't persuasive, consider how likely it would be that legal documents governing HOAs would prohibit houses. Not very, huh?

Of course that would be ridiculous. But that would right fit in around here. We have a DRC person telling the people who occasionally have work trailer that they'll turn the neighborhood into "white trash" but isn't concerned about an actual camper trailer occasionally kept by a former board member / friend.

I appreciate the input from all!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JoeB20 on 02/28/2024 7:54 PM
Lately we've been having a lot of fussing about trailer parking.

Here is what the covenants say about about parking:
>No boat, boat trailer, house trailer, camper, camper trailer, recreational vehicle, or similar item shall be stored or permanently continually, or regularly parked in and on any street, or in the open on any lot or driveway.
-- I think the listed items all denote trailers used for "extracurricular" activities, not involving one's making a living. Or so a good attorney might argue.

-- Catch-all phraseology like "or similar item" can tend to be overruled by the legal rule "unius est exclusio alterius." Google to see what the latte means. Not definitely. But certainly possibly. It just depends on the trial court (and maybe the appeals court).

-- Where a use restriction is ambiguous, courts tend to follow the rule of free use of one's property.

-- In other states there has been case law overruling restrictions on pickup trucks, because today, so many use pickup trucks for their livelihood.

-- In Kansas the seminal case on ambiguous restrictive covenants seems to be https://law.justia.com/cases/kansas/supreme-court/1953/39-038-0.html . Attorneys of course would locate the most recent Kansas case law citing the 1953 decision's reasoning on ambiguity. No attorneys post at hoatalk.

-- If I were either party here (lot owner or HOA), I would not want to go to court over this one.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Joe,

There you have it. Differing opinions.

If you are on the board, it's the board decision unless challenged in the courts.

My advice, be careful in making the decision as work trailers can come in different sizes, neatness, etc.
A contractor might have an enclosed trailer.
A landscaper might have an open air trailer with equipment hanging off of it.

Does your governing documents address commercial vehicles?
Would you allow a truck with ladder racks and signage park overnight?

If you are not on the board, and this is your trailer, you will have to decide if you want a legal fight to obtain a ruling by a court if that passage applies to work trailers.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sorry to be so dense--city person here: Is a work trailer something that a car or truck pulls? Is it always separate from but attached to some other vehicle?

I see boats, also banned, clearly can be used for work by residents who do commercial fishing.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sorry to be so dense--city person here: Is a work trailer something that a car or truck pulls? Is it always separate from but attached to some other vehicle?

I see boats, also banned, clearly can be used for work by residents who do commercial fishing.
JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
@ EllN
Thank you! your comments are in line with what I was thinking, but much better stated. The court case link is excellent!
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
JoeB20, yes I noticed this in your first post:
Quote:
Posted By JoeB20 on 02/28/2024 7:54 PM
... the logic looks quite clear to me. That is a specific list of items, prohibiting 3 specific types of trailers. It seems to me if we can use that to prohibit any trailer, we can also prohibit...
Pedantry: The courts view covenants as contractual terms. One way or another the courts frequently use court-established rules of contract interpretation to interpret covenants. Where one section of a contract speaks to specifics on topic xyz, and another section is general and does not expressly speak to xyz, then the section addressing specifics trumps the general section. In other words, the courts ignore the general section.

This is not quite what is going on here. But I also cannot reject outright that "or similar item" is just too vague.

Many CC&Rs also include a section that the board gets the final say in interpreting the covenants. For your reference, that's a line that does not go very far in court. Where the CC&Rs give the board the authority to exercise discretion, the board has to be reasonable and fair.

What is "reasonable and fair" here? I could not say. All I know is the courts have the last word. I would not want to gamble on a court here, regardless of which side (HOA or owner) I was.
JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
@ TimB4

Yeah, I knew there would be differing opinions.

I'm on the board. Have been about 5 years.

We're 59 houses, no penalties authorized in the docs, with most residents seeming to want a minimally invasive HOA that gently encourages members to keep things nice, but doesn't have the power to get rough. There's a few who want an aggressive HOA and usually they get to run things because of apathy. Except when peole get worked up and participation increases. This is one of those times of increased participation.

There's a lot of new faces at the moment, but at the moment I think the board is 7:1 against what I'd call aggressive.

My high level goals are keeping the bullies wanting an aggressive HOA in check, increasing consistency, and trying to keep the HOA mild enough that talk of disolving the HOA stays to a minimum. IMO actually disolving the HOA would be difficult, though I understand the process. Injecting a poison pill to cripple it would be quite attainable when people are worked up, but I'd rather not go there.
JoeB20 (Kansas)
Posts: 49
Posted:
To KerryL1
In our current debate the "work trailer" is about a 6x10 foot enclosed trailer with contractor tools in it. Being in Kansas, boats used for commercial fishing will never come up.

To TimB4's question - yes someone else has a commercial work van with ladder rack on the top and signage. IIRC, he's an HVAC tech. No one objects to his work vehicle, and yes, that potential inconsistency has been pointed out.

The crowd wanting an aggressive HOA is quite selective.
When I joined the board, we weren't incorporated (though CCR requires it), we hadn't filed a tax return in over 20 years, and haven't had the required independent audit in over 20 years. The outspoken person on the aggressive HOA side was quick to dismiss all these requirements as unnecessary.

I and another person have gradually made progress. We're now incorporated again. We're close to getting things straightened out enough to file a tax return. And then I'll start bringing up the audit again.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thanks, Joe. I'll give you my very personal take on this. And I also see how you want to be very careful about your HOA drifting towards the too aggressive. It also looks like your Board has other important matters to deal with. So this "issue" must be annoying. Kudos for taking on the higher-level issues..

The reason for restrictions on what can be in the driveways seems to be keeping the front of the homes harmoniously attractive and fairly uniform in appearance. The restriction in the covenant does not care HOW the vehicles are used. It seems to be about the "aesthetics" of the vehicles.

I do not think "unius est exclusio alterius" applies because there are too many possible vehicles that might be unattractive that were unknown when the covenants were written Thais is why "or similar" or, often, "not limited to" is used so often in covenants.

Our rules, for instance, ban recreational devices on our hardscape urban condo grounds**. "Skateboards, scooters, bicycles, rollerblades or similar devices are not allowed in any common areas including the garage..." It'd be impossible to name every such device as new ones emerge: Hoverboards, electric cars for tots, and more.

Perhaps your declaration near the very beginning states that one purpose of your HOA is to maintain the "attractiveness" of the community. Our declaration uses that word.

Soooo... I lived off & on for many years in Santa Cruz Calif. about 8 doors from a nice accessible beach. I didn't have a view from my home, but, from my yard, I'd see the surf break. The house next door towards that view often had a large RV camper parked in the driveway. (Their p-t vacay home.) It felt it like a wall 20 feet from my front yard and from my face. Claustrophobic. And, of course, when there, it blocked my ocean view.

So, I personally wouldn't want a car or truck PLUS a 6x10' trailer stored 20 feet or less from my front yard even if the blocked view would be solely of a pleasant neighborhood. I think I'd also worry about future large vehicles that aren't specifically named in the covenants becoming common.

Would this work trailer not fit into the garage?

I see no one complains about a work van, but I don't see vans prohibited in your covenants and, at least around these parts, many parents have fairly huge "family" vans.

* My Kansas-born dad left when he was 10 and lived in Cali thereafter. My sib & I liked hearing him say "lesh" instead of leash and "crick" instead of creek.
** With the exception that bicycles may be ridden to/from the underground garage Bike Rooms to the exit/entrance of the premises.

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