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CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I came across this interesting article that looks at some of the changes that have followed the Surfside condo collapse in June 2021.

While the article concentrates on the Florida market, it talks about a number of issues we discuss regularly, including the impact of crumbling condo properties, mortgage financing, and changes wrought by shifting weather patterns. I was interested to see that interested parties are looking at the latter. Quote:

"Over 13.4 million properties in the United States will be newly exposed to tropical cyclones in 30 years, and Florida can expect a shift in the landfall of hurricanes from the south in cities such as Miami to more northern locations such as Jacksonville."

The Surfside Effect: Adjusting to new regulations in the aftermath of the Surfside collapse
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Very good article, and I think there are items communities with detached homes may want go think about as well.

Here's a link to Fannie Mae's project standards- it can be downloaded as a PDF:

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/Selling-Guide/Origination-thru-Closing/Subpart-B4-Underwriting-Property/Chapter-B4-2-Project-Standards/Section-B4-2-1-General-Project-Standards/1032996351/B4-2-1-01-General-Information-on-Project-Standards-03-01-2023.htm

Even if you don't live in Florida, climate change is here and while you can argue on what's causing it, you will still need to consider what's going on in your area and planning for the future. This stuff about "I'm not going to be living here in 10-30 years anyway,so why should I care about reserves?" won't cut it. It's OK if you don't want to live in a HOA community be ause everything isn't meant for everyone, but you're still going to have to think about maintenance and bring prudent about changes you need to make.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I wish the lenders would get more involved and not lend for purchase into associations with inadequate reserves.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I think some lenders do ask about reserves. But the burden is mostly on buyers, many of whom don't understand the concept. This is especially true for condos which attract first time buyers and others who may not plan to stay in their condo for long.

Here's the issue, though. Most lenders do not hold their loans for the life of the loans. They sell many of them to Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac (from where the loans are sliced and diced into investments that can be purchased by investors). This takes the risk of a non-performing loan away from the bank that originally made the loan and passes it on to individuals and pension funds and others. So the incentive to make high-quality loans has diminished. This was the toxic assets kerfuffle in a nutshell.

(Cathy's Rules for Life #11: The key to solving problems is putting the consequences of the problems onto those who cause them rather than on innocent bystanders.)
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/28/2024 7:42 PM
I wish the lenders would get more involved and not lend for purchase into associations with inadequate reserves.

I'd prefer they factor in assessments when considering if the person can afford the house or condo. The top two reasons many HOAs have inadequate rserves is (1) people howl about assessments being "too high," not understanding that part of the money is to go to reserves and (2) the developers don't fund reserves from jump or educate the new board about them and why they're important. #2 probably needs a state statute requiring this because that's the only way most of the developers will do this.

Considering the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac rules, I think the insurance companies will fall in line and compel the HOAs to do more regarding reserves. Right now, they're deciding not to cover HOAs in this or that state, but pretty soon, they'll find they're losing a lot of money in premiums. We know money talks so it would be easier for them to hedge their bet by insisting that reserve studies be done. Just as you can save on auto insurance by having alarms in the car or home insurance by installing smoke alarms on every floor in the house, perhaps insurance companies can consider some sort of discount to HOAs if they commission reserve studies on a regular schedule (e.g. every five years).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SheliaH on 02/29/2024 5:45 AM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/28/2024 7:42 PM
I wish the lenders would get more involved and not lend for purchase into associations with inadequate reserves.


I'd prefer they factor in assessments when considering if the person can afford the house or condo.
I hope this is a post-o.

Of course lenders factor in the HOA/COA assessment when determining if a borrower can afford a house or condo.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
My first HOA home the lender factored in the dues. It allowed me to decide if I wanted to buy a more expensive house with what I paid in dues in a non HOA home or cheaper house with Dues. The dues were cheaper than paying for the amenities if paid on my own. I would not had a pool or lawn are independently as cheap.

If loan is not factoring in the dues then they may not know there is a HOA or your paying straight cash. Those are scenarios that HOA can slip by.

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