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SusanS31 (California)
Posts: 5
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I live in a mobile home park in sacramento california and the homeowners are planning on removing the entire board of directors at the next association meeting by majority vote, but are unsure on how to fill those positions. There are members that are available to fill those positions immediately upon removal of the board of directors. Can we just vote at the same time to fill those positions?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Did the notice for the meeting specify voting new members in if the recall was successful?

With the laws CA has, if this wasn't included, a recall vote might be all that can be done.
Check applicable statutes.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What Tim said.

If you're planning to recall everyone, you have more to think about than just getting rid of this bunch and replacing them. It's good that you have people willing to step up because there are some HOAs where the entire board quit or got recalled, but the people replacing them didn't have a clue as to what to do next.

Depending on what prompted the recall, you will need to make sure you have access to all documents related to association matters (board meeting minutes, owner lists, vendor lists, contracts, etc.) and take steps to retrieve keys to any association property (e.g. keys to the clubhouse) and you might want to consider having an audit done to make sure there isn't money that matches up with some sort of documentation. If board members were reimbursed for anything, there should be documentation to that effect as well as a reference to said reimbursement in the board meeting minutes. Put the soon to be current board members on notice that they are expected to assist in the transition and if they don't they will be referred to the association attorney for further action. Send them a letter to this effect, signed by the new board, with a copy to the association attorney. In fact, if you succeed, it wouldn't hurt to talk to the attorney about other steps you need to take.

If you have homeowners who are brand new to HOA board membership, they need to be educated on what their rights and responsibilities are. In addition to reading the community documents, you might check out the CAI website, which has lots of educational materials on a variety of HOA issues, ranging from rule enforcement to reserves. Start with the Board Member's toolkit and make sure all board members get a copy.

This is going to be a long journey and there may be some hiccups along the way, but if the current board is truly awful, they bought this on themselves. At the same time, if the new board doesn't get their act together quickly, you and your neighbors may find yourselves in a bigger shitshow. Good luck to you.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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You need to get solid commitments from the folks who will step up to replace the removed board members before you even think about doing this - otherwise you'll find yourselves on the way to receivership.

People talk big, but when it's time to step up and actually do the hard work, they're nowhere to be found. Removing board members is easy (as long as you follow the rules exactly). Getting yourself elected or appointed to the board is also comparatively easy. Serving on the board? Hard work, and thankless. And be very clear: newbie board members will screw up themselves. There is a lot to know, it isn't always easy to find, and some of it is just on-the-job training.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By SusanS31 on 02/08/2024 9:41 PM
I live in a mobile home park in sacramento california and the homeowners are planning on removing the entire board of directors at the next association meeting by majority vote, but are unsure on how to fill those positions. There are members that are available to fill those positions immediately upon removal of the board of directors. Can we just vote at the same time to fill those positions?

No. You have to hold an election per Civil Code sections 5100-5145 and your election rules.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/09/2024 7:29 AM

No. You have to hold an election per Civil Code sections 5100-5145 and your election rules.

Susan,

Since you are a mobile home park, verify that this section of the code applies.
SusanS31 (California)
Posts: 5
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Thank you for your responses but I failed to mention that it is a mobile home park, but it is also AC. ID community interest development or subdivisionand my question was when we do the vote to remove the board. Can we place people in those vacant positions at the same time thank you
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Providing that the notice for the meeting specified electing new directors if the recall was successful, yes.

Otherwise, you will have to fulfill notice requirements for an election.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Susan

Do not remove anybody unless you have replacements lined up. Also do not attempt this without legal advice. A lawyer can probably write the recall up by saying existing BOD Members (names inserted here) are being recalled and replaced by with names inserted here.

I will warn you that recalls are very tricky and if someone wants to fight it they can generally hold the process up and even get it ruled illegal. My experience is that it is much easier and straight forward to run other people again the existing BOD come election time. In one HOA it took a lot of hard work by a group of we owners to run alternative candidates. It took us 2 election cycles to finally purge the old BOD. We canvassed. Held informational meetings. Manned information tables at the pool, on a corner, etc. Had a proxy drawn up.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Sorry, Susan, it's probably me, but I'm not sure I understand what "the next association meeting" is. There're basically two kinds of meetings of the Association (ie.e members; owners) : the annual meeting and election, and a "special meeting of the association." Has this latter type been called for and is scheduled ?

All Board and Association meetings in CA must be include posting notices in advance with the agenda item(s) listed.

But with JohnC, if you can wait till the annual meeting and election that might be best. Recalls can be very tricky (I hear) and must be done exactly right. Also with JohnC, our HOA owners too have campaigned hard and voted out bad boards at the annual election.
RileyS (California)
Posts: 55
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You need a recall petition, you don't wait for a meeting. Signed by a minimum of 5% of the members. Read attached pdf file and see if that helps

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RileyS (California)
Posts: 55
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I should have added, timing is very important - when is your next annual election?

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/R/Recall-Date-Notice

https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/D/Director-Removal-Recall

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Susan

Are you understanding how "tricky" it can get?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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I can’t believe the threshold for a board recall vote in CA is only 5%. In a small 20 unit condo, that’s 1 person.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/11/2024 9:40 PM
I can’t believe the threshold for a board recall vote in CA is only 5%. In a small 20 unit condo, that’s 1 person.

Dean
the 5% is to establish a recall vote not the amount of votes to do a recall.
DeanJ
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/11/2024 9:51 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/11/2024 9:40 PM
I can’t believe the threshold for a board recall vote in CA is only 5%. In a small 20 unit condo, that’s 1 person.


Dean
the 5% is to establish a recall vote not the amount of votes to do a recall.

I realize that, but the value is still too low and allows the bomb throwers to create chaos.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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I think DeanJ is really Mellissa from Alabama.
SusanS31 (California)
Posts: 5
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I dont know how tricky it is so i appreciate all the help i can get.
We are desperate to get at least the president out but the vp, sec and architectural person need to go to.
Also is it right to hold a board meeting without inviting the cfo? Thank you for helping.
SusanS31 (California)
Posts: 5
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Thank you for the info i now have work to do
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/12/2024 5:51 AM
I think DeanJ is really Mellissa from Alabama.

Interesting idea, but Dean doesn't write in "Alabamian"

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Bless your heart. Come back now ya hear! I swear you are finer than frogs hair. That dog don't hunt.

Former HOA President
AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 108
Posted:
I don't think the Davis-Stirling Act pertains to mobile home parks. You need someone knowledgeable in reading the documents that relate specifically to your park.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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For Dean's info: 5% on a petition to recall is very common in many states
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
What Kerry said.

A petition is just that: it's a request that indicates sufficient community interest in pursuing something. Setting the number at 5% prevents one or two disgruntled people from stirring up trouble for no good reason and wasting time, but it isn't so large that apathy or inertia prevents needed action from taking place.

Once a petition is lawfully delivered to the board, then other rules start to determine what happens next - for example, the quorum needed to hold a recall meeting and other rules governing HOA/condo elections. In short, what happens with the recall and replacement won't be determined by 5% of the membership.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 02/14/2024 11:29 AM
What Kerry said.

A petition is just that: it's a request that indicates sufficient community interest in pursuing something. Setting the number at 5% prevents one or two disgruntled people from stirring up trouble for no good reason and wasting time, but it isn't so large that apathy or inertia prevents needed action from taking place.

Once a petition is lawfully delivered to the board, then other rules start to determine what happens next - for example, the quorum needed to hold a recall meeting and other rules governing HOA/condo elections. In short, what happens with the recall and replacement won't be determined by 5% of the membership.

Ours is 10% for a Special Meeting and the reason for the meeting has to be very specific as in recall Harry Smith and replace with Susan White.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By SusanS31 on 02/11/2024 9:48 AM
it is a mobile home park, but it is also AC. ID community interest development or subdivisionand
Translation:

This mobile home park is a "CID" (a.k.a. "common interest development"). As a CID, it would be subject to the Davis-Stirling Act. SusanS31 should confirm this.
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Posted By SusanS31
There are members that are available to fill those positions immediately upon removal of the board of directors. Can we just vote at the same time to fill those positions?
Not only can you, you must. Here is why:

" ... when the entire board is recalled, all recalled directors cease to hold office immediately upon their removal. In practice, that will be very problematic, because there will be no directors to run the association, and no directors to organize an election to fill the vacancies. To avoid this problem, the board must include on the ballot the election of candidates to fill all vacancies in the event the recall of the entire board is successful. This is true even if the members’ recall petition failed to include a request for such an election."

See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/D/Director-Removal-Recall

This is complicated. I advise that instead of trying for a recall, you wait until the next annual election.

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