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GaryR16 (Tennessee)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am a newly appointed board member of a condo complex who has a document in the process to amend the by-laws to exclude renters with the exception owners will be permitted to rent to relatives. We bought here in 2015 as our future residence that we re-modeled and moved into in 2017. We bought two additional units that we have rented for 3 years.

Per the new document the previous board has drafted, the rules are interpreted that we cannot rent our two investment condos, except for family, once the current renters leave.

I am debating with the other board members that we should be grandfathered in and be able to rent to non-family residents as long as we own the property.

I am the lone ranger as several other board members are opposed and the rest do not talk.

This proposed amendment is planned to be presented to the 116 owners for a vote with 75% approval required to pass this amendment.

Chances are it will be hard to get enough votes to change the by-laws but I hate to rely on the vote.

Thoughts please.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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The HOA has NOTHING to do with a lease agreement. The HOA does NOT own one's house. The power of rental is pretty limited in most states. You can put all the rental restrictions you want in a document but doesn't make it "legal" or enforceable. A good lawyer can easily get it tossed out.

Your HOA needs to study up on the laws and their part in rentals. The best thing your HOA can do? Is to make sure it's in lease agreements that renters must obey HOA rules. If you have the owners put that into their lease agreements it gives them power to take action against their tenants for failing to follow HOA rules. Otherwise even they can't touch the renter. The HOA can ONLY hold their owner/member feet to the floor for their tenants violations.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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I expect that when you say Bylaws, you intend to say the Covenants or The Restrictions or the CC&Rs, as this is the document that any rental restriction needs to be placed in.

Often, condominiums will combine the two documents and call them by one name or the other.
However, they are (should be) two separate documents.

The Restrictions (aka the CC&Rs, The Declaration, the covenants) specify what you are responsible for, the association is responsible for and what you are limited in doing with your property (changes, etc.).

The Bylaws specify how the Association is to be ran.

See: Understanding the Differences Between CC&Rs, Bylaws and Rules & Regulations.

Regarding rental restrictions, see:

The Tennessee Short-Term Rental Unit Act

Tennessee Supreme Court Holds Restrictions Limiting Property Use to Residential Purposes Do Not Prohibit Short-Term Rentals
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By GaryR16 on 02/05/2024 4:20 AM
I am a newly appointed board member of a condo complex who has a document in the process to amend the by-laws to exclude renters with the exception owners will be permitted to rent to relatives. We bought here in 2015 as our future residence that we re-modeled and moved into in 2017. We bought two additional units that we have rented for 3 years.

Per the new document the previous board has drafted, the rules are interpreted that we cannot rent our two investment condos, except for family, once the current renters leave.

I am debating with the other board members that we should be grandfathered in and be able to rent to non-family residents as long as we own the property.

I am the lone ranger as several other board members are opposed and the rest do not talk.

This proposed amendment is planned to be presented to the 116 owners for a vote with 75% approval required to pass this amendment.

Chances are it will be hard to get enough votes to change the by-laws but I hate to rely on the vote.

Thoughts please.

I believe if the documents are properly drafted and passed by the membership, the HOA may prohibit you from renting those units to other than family members.

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
We do not allow rentals, but we allow a minimum of a 6-month lease option. We do not allow VRBO etc within the association. As a Board we have talked about removing leasing but had an issue with two adults being deployed and would not be able to lease out their unit, if we restricted everything. We did, however, change our Declaration, and put in a sentence that requires an owner to have lived in they can lease that unit. We had the owner's vote on this plan, and an attorney review it. It passed 76-1.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Oddly enough, my community's board has decided that we should try to eliminate rentals altogether. The board refuses to see that we don't have the votes to approve the necessary amendments to our CC&Rs. But try they will, so we'll be watching this play out over the next few months. First skirmish begins this week.

Any changes like this will need to be in your CC&Rs, meaning you need approval from a majority of owners (usually a super-majority of 67-75%). If you try to tighten up your rental restriction, expect all of your current landlords and some percentage of current owner-occupants to vote "no". Several years ago we tried for a milder version of what your board is proposing, and it did not pass. We had about 15% of our units rented at the time, proposed change allowed exceptions for first degree relatives (parents, children, siblings). About 65% of owners voted "yes", we needed 75%.

Regardless of what the board wants, there is a window of opportunity during which you can tighten up your rental restriction. Once you have too many landlords, you won't have the necessary votes to approve it. And that's assuming there are no state laws that limit what HOAs can do in this area. Things like this are worth a discussion, but it may not be possible to do anything useful about the rental numbers.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
forgot to add for two-years before they could lease.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I believe that would be unconstitutional.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Illegal per federal Fair Housing Act to refuse to rent to protected classes. Also IRS has extra restrictions on renting to relatives.

What Is Prohibited?
In the Sale and Rental of Housing:

It is illegal discrimination to take any of the following actions because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin:

Refuse to rent or sell housing
Refuse to negotiate for housing
Otherwise make housing unavailable
Set different terms, conditions or privileges for sale or rental of a dwelling
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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And.....what happens when a homeowner has no relatives? Or....the homeowner's relatives all live on the opposite coast or in a different country? How does the board verify the renter is a relative.....require DNA tests? It could be argued that such a restriction is unreasonable and thus unenforceable.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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I just noticed this is only a bylaws change or a rule change. Unless your Declaration has rent restrictions and what categories of persons can be renters, I don't think the restriction could be adopted; you would have to amend your Declaration first.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 8:50 AM
I believe that would be unconstitutional.

The constitution only regulates government activity.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 9:11 AM
Illegal per federal Fair Housing Act to refuse to rent to protected classes. Also IRS has extra restrictions on renting to relatives.

What Is Prohibited?
In the Sale and Rental of Housing:

It is illegal discrimination to take any of the following actions because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin:

Refuse to rent or sell housing
Refuse to negotiate for housing
Otherwise make housing unavailable
Set different terms, conditions or privileges for sale or rental of a dwelling

Which none apply to this situation.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 10:21 AM
And.....what happens when a homeowner has no relatives? Or....the homeowner's relatives all live on the opposite coast or in a different country? How does the board verify the renter is a relative.....require DNA tests? It could be argued that such a restriction is unreasonable and thus unenforceable.

One could argue the mater in court, but an HOA with their ducks in a row can argue it is reasonable. Decreased property values, increased enforcement from renters, increased complaints from homeowners, increased maintenance costs due to renters, ect.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 10:57 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 9:11 AM
Illegal per federal Fair Housing Act to refuse to rent to protected classes. Also IRS has extra restrictions on renting to relatives.

What Is Prohibited?
In the Sale and Rental of Housing:

It is illegal discrimination to take any of the following actions because of race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity and sexual orientation), disability, familial status, or national origin:

Refuse to rent or sell housing
Refuse to negotiate for housing
Otherwise make housing unavailable
Set different terms, conditions or privileges for sale or rental of a dwelling


Which none apply to this situation.

They all apply. Neighbor sees tenant move out, landlord cleaning the place for new tenant, sends his friend over who is one of a protected group under the fair housing act. Landlord refuses to quote the price or let him apply to rent. Federal law suit on your hands. One can think of dozens of scenarios like this.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 11:01 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 10:21 AM
And.....what happens when a homeowner has no relatives? Or....the homeowner's relatives all live on the opposite coast or in a different country? How does the board verify the renter is a relative.....require DNA tests? It could be argued that such a restriction is unreasonable and thus unenforceable.


One could argue the mater in court, but an HOA with their ducks in a row can argue it is reasonable. Decreased property values, increased enforcement from renters, increased complaints from homeowners, increased maintenance costs due to renters, ect.

You have stated a theory that is beside the point. If a member has no relatives, the only tenant pool he has is the public which would violate the new rule. That is absurd. What is he supposed to do, leave it vacant?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 10:55 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 8:50 AM
I believe that would be unconstitutional.


The constitution only regulates government activity.

HOA governing documents have to comply with state and federal laws, including constitutional rights. HOA can't make a rule that REQUIRES discrimination of protected groups. The proposed rule would disallow members of the protected groups unless they are a relative.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The OP is not talking about protected groups.
AidylP1 (California)
Posts: 108
Posted:
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Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 12:53 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 10:55 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 8:50 AM
I believe that would be unconstitutional.


The constitution only regulates government activity.


HOA governing documents have to comply with state and federal laws, including constitutional rights. HOA can't make a rule that REQUIRES discrimination of protected groups. The proposed rule would disallow members of the protected groups unless they are a relative.

The First Amendment to the Constitution protects free speech, but it does not apply to a private corporation such as an HOA.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/05/2024 2:18 PM
The OP is not talking about protected groups.

The point is: if HOA made a rule that renters could only be relatives, it would necessarily be denying rentals to protected groups. It's a caution and I believe in violation of public policy and civil rights protections and therefore a bad move.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AidylP1 on 02/05/2024 2:35 PM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 12:53 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 10:55 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 8:50 AM
I believe that would be unconstitutional.


The constitution only regulates government activity.


HOA governing documents have to comply with state and federal laws, including constitutional rights. HOA can't make a rule that REQUIRES discrimination of protected groups. The proposed rule would disallow members of the protected groups unless they are a relative.


The First Amendment to the Constitution protects free speech, but it does not apply to a private corporation such as an HOA.

I didn't mention the First Amendment or free speech; however, CA HOAs are subject to CA constitution protecting free speech.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Gary,

Prior to presenting the proposal to the membership, I would recommend that the Board seek a legal opinion on the amendment.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 02/05/2024 4:43 AM
We do not allow rentals, but we allow a minimum of a 6-month lease option. We do not allow VRBO etc within the association. As a Board we have talked about removing leasing but had an issue with two adults being deployed and would not be able to lease out their unit, if we restricted everything. We did, however, change our Declaration, and put in a sentence that requires an owner to have lived in they can lease that unit. We had the owner's vote on this plan, and an attorney review it. It passed 76-1.

You can also add hardship exceptions, such as deployment or job transfer.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 2:43 PM
Posted By AidylP1 on 02/05/2024 2:35 PM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 12:53 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 02/05/2024 10:55 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 02/05/2024 8:50 AM
I believe that would be unconstitutional.


The constitution only regulates government activity.


HOA governing documents have to comply with state and federal laws, including constitutional rights. HOA can't make a rule that REQUIRES discrimination of protected groups. The proposed rule would disallow members of the protected groups unless they are a relative.


The First Amendment to the Constitution protects free speech, but it does not apply to a private corporation such as an HOA.


I didn't mention the First Amendment or free speech; however, CA HOAs are subject to CA constitution protecting free speech.


There no constitutional issues that I can see. Any discrimination against protected groups would be an Fair Housing issue. It’s an interesting thought, but I don’t think it would qualify as a violation. Definitely worth running by an attorney.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By GaryR16 on 02/05/2024 4:20 AM
I am a newly appointed board member of a condo complex who has a document in the process to amend the by-laws to exclude renters with the exception owners will be permitted to rent to relatives. We bought here in 2015 as our future residence that we re-modeled and moved into in 2017. We bought two additional units that we have rented for 3 years.

Per the new document the previous board has drafted, the rules are interpreted that we cannot rent our two investment condos, except for family, once the current renters leave.

I am debating with the other board members that we should be grandfathered in and be able to rent to non-family residents as long as we own the property.

I am the lone ranger as several other board members are opposed and the rest do not talk.

This proposed amendment is planned to be presented to the 116 owners for a vote with 75% approval required to pass this amendment.

Chances are it will be hard to get enough votes to change the by-laws but I hate to rely on the vote.

Thoughts please.


I don’t think it would be difficult to craft the rule so it only applies to units sold after the date the amendment was passed.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
With David, your point is interesting, Terri. But all persons, including those in unprotected groups, would be kept out of these homes. It would be descrimination against all non-close relatives of the owner.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Sorry, this unit may no longer be rented to the public per HOA declaration.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
Up front - I am not a lawyer. Also, I do not live in your state. You should consult a lawyer familiar with your state's condo law.

Lots of condos prohibit rentals in one form or another. My amateur understanding is that these restrictions have generally held up in my state's courts and federal court when they don't try to define concepts that get them in trouble with anti-discriminatory laws.

I know of condos that prohibit rentals outright, permit them only after you have lived in the building for at least a year, permit new leases only if the percentage of condos leased is under a threshold and which keep a wait list, and permit them only a few years at a time. We have city and state laws that create other restrictions like number of people relative to the size of the unit.

I know of none that permit rental only to family. I can guess why - your definition will almost certainly vary from that of at least some of your neighbors.

What defines your family? It's a social concept with a genetic gloss. Ask 10 people and probably at least 5 will differ from yours. For most people, family is a blend. Here are some hypotheticals, all are based on people I know.

1. Step-children. If I get divorced, are my adult step-children still family? Would I need to kick them out? Or what if I decided to let my ex-wife stay until her minor children, my former step children, are out of high school.
2. Now-adult foster child still participating as part of the family.
3. The children of my long-term partner. What if it's a poly relationship, with more than one long-term partner?
4. Sibling who isn't biologically my sibling but has been a part of my family since we were 2 year olds. Their kids call me aunt/uncle.
5. Mother-in-law after my spouse died.
6. What if I take in a friend who is down on their luck and ask them to contribute to the household expenses. Is that an informal rental arrangement?

Even though I favor rental restrictions in condos, I would vote against a restriction with a family clause.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I agree with NA1 about the issues with trying to verify who's family and who isn't. It's an administrative nightmare, and it can't be done without asking intrusive questions that an HOA would have no right to ask. It may work in a very small HOA where everyone knows everyone else, but things get out of hand quickly as the numbers rise.

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