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LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Florida has so many laws about this. I am President of my HOA and alot of investors are buying the homes and renting them. The home ownwer is not 55 but the renters are. I am concerned because if a certain percentage of home owners are under we will loose our quailfication.Any anfo on this would be helpful. We are thinking about changing the by-lawas so that no can buy unless they are 55.......
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
LaverneB - Is your community, or is it not a true 55 and older community? Sounds like you are qualified or established but not sure.
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Yes it is a 55+ single family homes since 1979.
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Yes it is a 55+ single family homes since 1979.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Laverne and Gerald,

The Federal government allows 20% of 55 year+ communities to be occupied by people who are under the age of 55 to keep your Housing for Seniors status . The only way that you can avoid the ownership of the younger age buyers is to clearly state that NO members may be under the 55 year requirement. This is legal and will need to be amended to your Protective Covs, Articles of Inc and your ByLaws. But until then, unless you have an age requirement, you cannot stop this until you amend your CC&Rs.
JimM7 (Florida)
Posts: 71
Posted:
Donna...I believe the HUD rules allow a community to establish their % required.Under those rules my community is considering going to 100%.
We place the burden on the Property Owner to comply with the 55+ rule and our controling documents.Hope we're doing it correctly!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Jim,

You are correct that an association can determine the percentage of 55+ ownership, it is just that according to the Feds, 20% of under 55 ownership is the top limit for keeping the "housing for Seniors qualification. Any number over 20%, you will lose your senior exemption classification.

I agree that 100% is the way to go. It saves problems from arising when you get too much of a mixed age community.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
So you want to limit resales to a much smaller portion of the population as opposed to attracting 100% of the buying market.

100% of the market, vs the smaller group that want to buy into a HOA and the still smaller group of only those 55+.

Hmmm, I guess that could be good for property values amongst the much smaller target market.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

DJ,
I own a property in a 55+ community and I have to tell you, there is a waiting list for these villas to go on sale because of the no one under 55 rule. Bad market or not, the "BOOMERS" are now retiring and many want to live a more quiet life so resale limitations on the age requirement is not an issue.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DJ1: To come to the over 55-communitys' defense, there IS a need today for those who are looking to downsize, to find a community of like-folks (older, kids grown, etc.) who want to move into a home requiring no outside maintenance, and no skateboards, basketball hoops on the sidewalk or driveways. Not that there's anything wrong with that.....just been there, done that and now desire a different (peaceful) environment!
When you reach those golden years, perhaps you, too, will be wanting the same.
All a matter of preference.

LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
I agree this is the way to go. We are looking into changing our docs to read 55+ to buy, or live here.The way they read now, you can but a home but can not live in the home. So, in , comes the renters.If I as Pres. this year I want to accomplish this.We used to have the waiting list also, but no more, and the home values went down big time......
LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Well put Paul. We also had the big house, pool, lots of company over. There was always kids at our home. We loved it but we are not 35 anymore!Boomers need a place to play now! Let us have our time now.........
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Just observing that the more restrictions there are the more you narrow down the buying market.

It can equally be said that within a particular group, once you've attracted them, ie over 55, they may pay a premium...you just have to attract em.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i have always wondered why it is legal to discriminate against people based on age, up to a set of magic numbers.

I can sit in a bar at 20, and be denied a drink until the clock strikes midnight, then magically, i am capable of drinking.

I could attempt to buy a home in your community, but at 54 years and 360 days, you would deny me. 5 days later (6 in 208), suddenly I am able to comfortably fit in.

What occurred in those 5 or 6 days that changed who I am, what I do, how I live? And why did it wait until that last day to occur?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

That's the way life goes Brian.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
yeah... FM pretty much has to be used to explain it.

i never have understood the anti-discrimination laws. More to the point, i have never understood the logic behind what is legal to discriminate against, and what isn't. why are some things protected and others not?

LaverneB (Florida)
Posts: 129
Posted:
Brian that is why in the good old USA we have laws. It goes for any number. Say the speed limits. Who and what determines it? Why is it 50 and not 51? Some where there has to a line.Like anything use common sense.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
But Laverne, why have speed limits? Some European countries do fine without speed limits.. Take the Autobahn, for example. As a driver, you are simply held responsible for the results of your actions, at whatever speed you are driving.

Another view of the speed limits are that they are set by science and we know the engineer designed speed of the roadway, we know how fast a car at this mass and this grade can take this angle of curve, we know the braking distance of a car at this speed on this surface, etc.. it's all scientifically determined. In a residential area, you drive slower because distractions are closer, and decisions must be made faster than on a freeway.

Explain the science or logic behind discrimination laws.

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
BrianB - I agree with you in that a difference of 5-6 days, or a couple hours does not make a candidate less or more qualified in theory. An analogy of 55 over/55 under communities to speeding would be interesting. The extent of damage of a car accident is caused primarily by the speed differential. Similarly the extent of friction between 55 over and 55 under residents can be increased if the percentage of 55 under is greater, in other words a greater differential. The Feds have decided that 20% is an acceptable max of those that are under 55 to reside in a 55 or older community. I guess the Feds don't consider there to be any differential between someone 55 years old and someone that is 70 years old.

To characterize 55 plus communities as being discriminatory, to me, is incorrect. There are plenty of property regimes, and places for people to live that don't meet the requirements.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Ah Gerald, but to play devil's advocate, aren't there plenty of places that green colored folks can eat and watch movies and live too? Do we really need the Irish living in this neighborhood? Why can't those Gypsies stick where they belong, and not try to drink from our fountains?

How is telling someone "You can't do X because of your age" not discriminatory? If i replace "age" with "race" or "religion" or "gender", isn't it exactly the same?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Brian,
The only thing different about this is that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT set up the rules and allows this. So HA! to that theory
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Ah yes Donna, you are right.. and we all know what paragons of reason and intelligence our elected officials are. I read that some of them do, at times, actually READ the bills they vote in favor of before they vote (not always... over 90% of our congress admitted that they vote on bills without "actually knowing what they are").

So of course, being put into place by the likes of those makes everything right...
LynneM (Massachusetts)
Posts: 52
Posted:
I live in an over 55 community we are very strict on that rule, and you no the deal before buying. You must show proof and get it notorized and that goes for both husband and wife. Should you decide to rent the renters must be over 55 and show proof.
We had a situation of an owner that housed her daughter and her 2 children under 55. The community took her to court which the owner was responsible for lawyers fees (some 8,000+).Children have finially moved out, and the owner will probably sell after the stuff she had to go through but again the community is 55 or over and no guest are supposed to stay under the age requirement for long periods.(these houses do stay on the market for a long time.

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