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TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Frontier Subdivision, 144 lots, New Mexico. $50 yearly assessment. 3 of 5 Directors do not have internet. 5 of 5 have no cell service.
Tryin' to keep is simple.

Annual meeting. Change of Officers. Audit.
I am not currently on the BoD; I forward questions at their direction.

During the audit a discrepancy was found regarding a lot that had transferred ownership. No HOA Disclosure Certificate was found to accompany the transfer.
The Secretary/Treasurer was made aware of the transfer when the County sent their yearly property owner list (received January 12, 2024).
The S/T contacted the realtor (also purchaser), apologized for bother and requested a copy for our files.
Realtor responded: Sale was "private treaty" and did not require an HOA Disclosure. Purchaser/realtor requested an invoice for any amounts due, assuring it would be paid in full immediately.
(I did not think to capture an image of the Disclosure Certificate being used. I recall the header using "New Mexico law" and "homeowners".)

NM HOA Act
Section 11
A. A seller or the seller's agent shall obtain a disclosure certificate from the association and provide it to the purchaser no later than seven days before closing; and ...
Section 12
A. Unless exempt ...., a lot owner shall furnish to a purchaser copies of:
(1) the declaration of the association, other than the plats and plans;

I'm hoping someone can assist me in locating information on 'private treaty' sales that don't require a disclosure certificate. The realtor/purchaser has not been forthcoming with any documentation to support this caveat.
If there is no such caveat, please advise.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I never heard of such disclosure nor the county reporting membership list. That sounds weird.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The HOA must provide the info when asked.

If they are not asked, it's not an issue for the HOA.

Simply forward the email to the auditor along with the explanation that no one sought the information, so the Association isn't responsible.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Maybe this section applies?

NM Property Law
47-16-12
F. A disclosure certificate shall not be required in the case of a disposition:

(1) pursuant to court order;

(2) by a government or governmental agency;

(3) by foreclosure or deed in lieu of foreclosure; or

(4) that may be canceled at any time and for any reason by the purchaser without penalty.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 01/24/2024 7:45 AM
The HOA must provide the info when asked.

If they are not asked, it's not an issue for the HOA.

Simply forward the email to the auditor along with the explanation that no one sought the information, so the Association isn't responsible.
I agree.

FWIW regarding "private treaty sale": Did you google on this? These two sites seem clear that a "private treaty sale" is the standard "list it, take offers, sell it" home sale:

https://www.homeloanexperts.com.au/first-home-buyers-guide/private-treaty-sale/

https://www.rwsp.net/news/what-does-sold-by-private-treaty-mean

Right now I think the realtor was bs'ing you. Regardless, the issue is moot, as the HOA has no legal obligation to provide a disclosure certificate unless asked for one.
TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
The County sends a report to every subdivision listing the recorded property owners of each parcel on January 31.

It's a helpful cross-check (as it was in this instance) for names, spelling and current address on file. It is the only process I'm familiar with. This year the Treasurer received an additional page listing the developer's 'unsold' lots. Prior years required a line-by-line assessment to ensure all info was correct when invoicing developer.
How do other subdivisions keep their membership list current? If there is a better way ... I'm all ears!

"never heard of such disclosure" - right?

Haven't read all responses yet but feeling I'm in good company here!

Thank you

TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:

There ya go! I have to agree.

Copy of email response in file. Wipe hands.

Note: The 'auditor' is the incoming Officer.

We're a frontier subdivision in an unincorporated town. Articles state: Purpose of Association is to provide for the maintenance of the roads + exercise powers, fix, levy, collect, et al.
An attorney once referred to our type of HOA as "one of those road maintenance organizations".

Statue isn't interpreted as requiring an outside auditor. Please correct if warranted.

Thank you

TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Well done TerriS6!

This was discussed at the meeting.
During meeting Treasurer reminded board about ongoing contact with the 'seller' (during her term 4 years ago) regarding underpayments and overpayments. Random incoherent emails and never a resolution to the $10 credit on account.

County property record shows transfer from seller to buyer with no recent (past year) 'estate' or 'trust' or 'foreclosure' noted.

Why wouldn't a realtor/purchaser using an exception under (F) put that in their reply and link it to "Private Treaty"?

Treasurer asks, "If there is an outstanding balance on an account, how does the HOA stand a chance of collecting past due amounts with these types of transfers?"
i.e.: Outstanding balance on March 1, Liens filed in Sept. - If purchase is in window between March and Sept, monies could be lost.
Perhaps the BoD should look at closing the gap.

Thank you

TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Thank you ElleN,

Treasurer asks: If no disclosure is provided and there are past due assessments, who is responsible for payment of outstanding amount(s)?

This thread has pointed out a vulnerability in our Docs. There is a window of 4 months between adding late charges and filing a lien. The payment due date and the lien file date have been in the docs since inception. There has never been a cause to explore statutes for remedy to close the window a bit tighter.

Printing this thread for review by the BoD.

Thank you very much.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Would like to point out when it comes to filing a lien, there are options to help in negotiations. Late fees and interest are considered "Punitive charges". They are something that can be "waived" or may not be included. Liens or Foreclosures are based on unpaid dues NOT punitive charges like fines or late fees. Although interest can be charged in Foreclosures. Either one, the HOA still is able to put in their legal costs of filing etc... into what is owed.

A court can only make one "whole". That is why the costs of filing is part of the lien/foreclosure. It should return the HOA back to "0" when amount paid to file and dues owed are paid back. Lawsuits don't necessarily work this way.

Former HOA President
TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Thank you MelissaP1,

Understood. Appreciated.

114 'sold lots' @ full $50 assessment. Per. Year.
30 'unsold' developer lots at $10 ("Developer Exception" for 'unsold' lots). Per. Year.
Directors are volunteers.

$25 to file lien
$25 to remove lien
^^ Requires 2 trips to the County Seat.
2 trips to County at 150 miles each, round trip @ .67 per mile: $200.00
Late fee: $25

In the above process, would you consider the late fee to be the only 'punitive' charge?
What argument could one make to a judge, to allow the late fee to remain in the balance?

Thank you
TammyL2 (New Mexico)
Posts: 26
Posted:
ElleN,

I have explored all the links that you provided. Thank you very much.
I agree, 'Private Treaty' is fancy speak for a standard seller to buyer sale, with or without a realtor.
I also agree that the certificate was not requested, and HOA is absolved by way of buyers reply.

Per the New Mexico Homeowners Association Act [47-16-11 NMSA 1978] states that "a seller or the seller's agent shall obtain a disclosure certificate from the association and provide it to the buyer no later than seven days before closing".

^ The HOA is not incumbent to police the process.

Given the realtor was the buyer, and has requested this form many, many times over the years ... in all their other property transactions .... I'd have to agree with your assessment.

Sincere appreciation.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TammyL2 on 01/25/2024 4:23 AM

Treasurer asks: If no disclosure is provided and there are past due assessments, who is responsible for payment of outstanding amount(s)?
If one reads the CC&Rs carefully, I am betting they will clearly state that the assessment is against the lot, not the owner. In my opinion and based on experience, the HOA can hold whoever owns the lot responsible for past due assessments, violations present before closing, et cetera. If a new owner does not like this, then the HOA should point to the CC&R section that says as much. It is up to the new owner to figure out he/she may have a valid legal claim against the title company or former owner. The HOA should not be giving legal advice. The HOA can give legal information, like what the CC&Rs say.

If all your HOA is obliged to do is maintain roads, I would be thankful. I like what the attorney said. Maybe the attorney was being a bit cute but the attorney was also quite possibly reflecting years of legal experience with covenants for these 'frontier HOAs.'

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