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RalphS2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
My HOA's Declaration Of Covenents, etc. defined an "Owner" shall mean and refer to the record owner, whether one or more persons, of the fee simple title to any lot which is part of the Property, but excluding those having such interest merely as security for the performance of an obligation. Are "landlords" entitled to be counted as part of "voting'quorums in elections.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Does the landlord own the property? If so, he or she could be counted in establishing quorum- it doesn't matter if the property is being rented out. The landlord is still paying assessments and is ultimately responsible for complying with community rules, whether he/she lives there or not. This is how landlords can be sued for rules violations committed by the tenants.

As long as you're asking about quorum, keep reading your documents so you'll know if it's one vote per unit. If so and the unit is co-owned, it's up to them to decide how to vote and who will cast the ballot or sign and submit a proxy.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A landlord is a homeowner and thus a HOA member. There are situations where there is a Property Manager that is hired to manage rental property. However, they are still hired by the homeowner. It would not be the Property Manager (PM) with the vote. There are also situations of "Power of Attorney". The owner no longer able to make decisions themselves which they empower someone else to do it on their behalf.

There is also the situation where a "Limited liability company" (LLC) owns the property. That may include more than one "owner". I like to call that situation "The one who draws the shortest straw goes to prison for all". Still would have just one vote for the property.

I don't care if someone is in the room or in Jamaica. They own the property and are members. Distance doesn't end one's rights.


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ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By RalphS2 on 01/05/2024 4:14 PM
but excluding those having such interest merely as security for the performance of an obligation.
Friend, the phrase "security for the performance of an obligation" is referring to lenders. Home owners with mortgages grant, to a lender, an interest in real property as security for the performance of an obligation secured by a mortgage."

In other words, what you quoted means that lenders, even though they have an "interest" in a lot, do not have the rights that owners do.
RalphS2 (Georgia)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I understand everything any one is saying our problem we're stuck with the same BOD members because we have "absentee" landlords and we have a problem with business requiring a vote when the votes require a 60% quorum conduct any business requiring a vote to pass. One of our absentee landlord's mailing address is Paris France.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Ralph, time to gather proxies (even from Paris France dude); attain a quorum; and vote to amend the bylaws to reduce the quorum.

Is this a condominium?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Can't owners vote by absentee ballot via the mail? We have probably 25% absentee landlords and while they do vote less than owner occupants, they do vote because they can by mail.

Make it easy by allowing that and doing it correctly if permitted by your state & bylaws.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
When we have needed their votes we have called landlords directly to ask them to submit a vote on the issue.

A fair number respond to that. It takes work.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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To NA1's point, do text or phone absentee owners. It takes work, but does work.
MikeB23 (Louisiana)
Posts: 109
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/05/2024 7:32 PM
Can't owners vote by absentee ballot via the mail? We have probably 25% absentee landlords and while they do vote less than owner occupants, they do vote because they can by mail.

Make it easy by allowing that and doing it correctly if permitted by your state & bylaws.

No absentee voting in Louisiana unless by a signed proxy to another OWNER.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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A proxy does have to be assigned. Many are assigned to the BOD. This is how many stay on the BOD year after year.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ralph

If going the collecting proxies route, you best have an attorney draw up one for your usage especially if you expect the present BOD to "fight" you.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Our governing documents state that the owner(s) of the property get one vote per property. Check your governing documents. I must add, our governing documents were written in 1982. This year, 2024, we are spending thousands to update to governing documents to today's language. You might have to think of updating governing documents if yours are over 20 years old.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Since I've only expanded mail-in ballot, how does an owner vote who cannot attend the annual meeting or an election meeting of any kind? Is it ONLY by proxy?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/06/2024 12:49 PM
Since I've only expanded mail-in ballot, how does an owner vote who cannot attend the annual meeting or an election meeting of any kind? Is it ONLY by proxy?

In SC, one votes via being there in person or submitting a Proxy naming someone else. We do not use ballots.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Thanks, JohnC. Soooooo....all Ralph & his board can do is constantly reach out to absentee owners and beg them for proxies.do the proxies come to yard members via USPS? If o, one way to increase absentee owners' voting is to include with voting instructions a perfect proxy form. and a self-addressed stamped envelope to whoever collects these things.

Towards the end of our Campaign to get enuff votes to restitute our CC&Rs, our PM sent each absentee owner who had not vote such a plea to vote along with such an envelope. It really helped!
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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We switched to electronic voting this year. The proxy for one ballot measure and the ballot to vote on directors are sent out to everyone who signed up for electronic consent.

It has made a huge difference in the number of proxies we have gotten returned and each proxy and/or ballot counts towards our quorum.

It paid for itself with the money we saved having to print and send out all the packets.

We don't have a lot of absentee owners but we do have a lot of snowbirds. If you have trouble getting a quorum or enough proxies, consider electronic voting if your state allows it.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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They aren’t absentee, they are investors.

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