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ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
Posted:
We are putting a new roof on our complex and each unit is being assessed between $3,700 to $7,000 based on the size of their unit. Some unit owners are claiming this expense is a "hardship" and want extended time to pay their assessment. 1.If we offer and "hardship" extension to one person, how many more will ask for the same? 2.If we offer a hardship and give them an extra year to pay their assessment, how do we know that they will pay in the extra time given? Would we need to hire a lawyer to draw up and extended payment period for some units? Who pays the lawyer fees? I understand that people have difficult financial times, but why is the HOA expected to make special arrangement for the homeowners financial responsibility?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 4:56 AM
We are putting a new roof on our complex and each unit is being assessed between $3,700 to $7,000 based on the size of their unit. Some unit owners are claiming this expense is a "hardship" and want extended time to pay their assessment. 1.If we offer and "hardship" extension to one person, how many more will ask for the same? 2.If we offer a hardship and give them an extra year to pay their assessment, how do we know that they will pay in the extra time given? Would we need to hire a lawyer to draw up and extended payment period for some units? Who pays the lawyer fees? I understand that people have difficult financial times, but why is the HOA expected to make special arrangement for the homeowners financial responsibility?

1. Offer an extension to all owners (don't mention hardship), and charge a "service fee" of some sort.

2. You don't know that they will pay within the allotted time. You would treat them like any other owner who is delinquent in their assessments: place liens on their homes and/or begin collection actions. As for who pays the lawyer fees, look in your CC&Rs to see what it says about handling delinquent accounts. Typically CC&Rs say that legal fees of this sort will be charged to the delinquent owner. Of course, if someone isn't paying their assessments, there's a good chance that they won't pay legal fees either. Sometimes associations end up foreclosing on the home without collecting all of the money owed.

It goes with the territory, unfortunately. When you buy in a community association, you become the financial and legal partner of every other owner in that association. One of the regulars here once commented that buying a condo is like strolling into a bar and becoming business partners with everybody in the joint. Doing business without being able to vet your new partners is a risk, and sometimes you're the one left holding the bag.

DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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I agree with Cathy. Also, you should then either review your reserves study, which apparently was other a)woefully inadequate, b)actively ignored by the board, or c)non existent.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Forgot to mention, the board should probably run this past the association attorney to make sure that any payment plans comply with the CC&Rs and other laws. The attorney may be involved anyway if some owners need to be sent to collections, and may appreciate the heads up.

As far as payment plans go, in my experience they can be helpful for owners with a legit and temporary financial issue. They're usually not helpful for owners with chronic financial mismanagement issues or for owners who are trying to "stick it to The Man" (since they foolishly do not understand that they are The Man).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Well if they do not pay then the others not have to pay more to cover them? Plus need to add the expense of adding a lien. Which is best option. It assures they will pay or they can not sell property.

Making a payment plan with those people you lien may help them.

It just sounds like some possible bad planning from the start on this project. Where were the reserves funded to cover this item?

Former HOA President
NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
They can get a home equity loan? Its not as if the money is to add a new swimming pool.

Frankly its not your problem if they can’t afford it. Some people will complain that they can’t afford repairs even if they have a ton of money.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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NA1 in my HOA some neighbors want to install a pool and clubhouse. I told them that would raise dues to close to $500 a month plus the few thousand in special assessment to build a possible $300 to $500 K pool/clubhouse used 3 months of the year.

I got an ear full of how wrong I was about how much it would cost. Plus it was okay to kick in 1 to 2 k for the project... I am like NOT from every household it is not feasible. Your adding on a few hundred a month to someones budget who already is struggling to afford the home they bought.

It seems a little unfair to say the least of how people should be able to afford this or that. One should save for emergencies etc. however when it comes to pay for said emergency it does not mean they can.

Former HOA President
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By NA1 on 01/05/2024 8:03 AM
They can get a home equity loan? Its not as if the money is to add a new swimming pool.

Frankly its not your problem if they can’t afford it. Some people will complain that they can’t afford repairs even if they have a ton of money.



I disagree. If the HOA's Board has failed in its financial planning to the extent that homeowners are suddenly facing a several thousand dollar special assessment, which some are unable to pay, that is both ethically and practically a problem for the HOA.

ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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The reserve account was underfunded for the past 30 years by 30 years of poor management companies and boards that were intimidated by homeowners to adequately fund the reserves. Now, all 5 of the new board members are left trying to figure this out, and guess who the homeowners are blaming? The roof was scheduled to be replaced in 2016, the previous board members never got it done.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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Done, thank you.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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Yes, a home equity loan, a bank loan, a loan from a relative, a credit card, we have mentioned all of these solutions at board meetings and the response is "some people are uncomfortable taking out loans." Of course if it is for a trip, or a boat, or a lake home, or a new car then they are perfectly fine with taking out a loan.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
Posted:
Yes, a home equity loan, a bank loan, a loan from a relative, a credit card, we have mentioned all of these solutions at board meetings and the response is "some people are uncomfortable taking out loans." Of course if it is for a trip, or a boat, or a lake home, or a new car then they are perfectly fine with taking out a loan.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I don't see a problem with a payment plan because most people don't have $3700 - $7000 sitting around for times such as this. There's nothing wrong with asking those people to provide verifiable written proof of hardship and using that to tailor your payment plan - we do this when people are behind in assessments. It's one thing to issue a plan when someone has had job loss or major illness, but another because they'd rather spend the money in an upcoming trip to Vegas.

I'd start with a standard payment plan for everyone and if someone needs an altered version, they can provide proof of hardship. It's not about getting in anyone's business- most creditors would request the same thing if you request a plan for your car note or student loan. You can work with your property man5on how the request should be submitted and securing private personal information. The board's decision on accepting a plan should be final and subject to review after 6 months or do to see if the homeowner has been compliant.

One thing homeowners shoukd be told is that some buildings might need repair sooner, so they will likely have to come up with their share immediately. They should talk to their own banks to see what their options are. Maybe the association's bank can come up with an offer for homeowners at a competitive interest rate (and an incentive to encourage early payoff?)

As David noted, your board should be looking at getting a reserve study to see where you're at financially, especiallyif it's been five years or more since the last one. The recommendations should be followed as closely as possible and in this case, it appears the board might not have raised assessments as it should. No one wants to pay more for anything, but they have to realize that homeownership has never been cheap, and this is why it's critical to prepare.

So ends my first post of the year - hope everyone had a good holiday!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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Yes, it is a problem for the HOA because the roof has to be paid for by 6/30/2024.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I assume the roof project had been discussed for several months before the special assessment was announced, so if people are now complaining, they had the chance to say something earlier. If they didn't, that's on them.

I'm also assuming this is a special assessment and the board took whatever steps were written in the documents to get homeowner approval. If not, that's a big problem and you might have to prepare a nastygram from someone's attorney. That might delay the June 30 deadline, which may lead to more problems. Hope y'all dotted your I's and crossed your T's before going on this adventure.

That said, finances can and do change on a dime - didn't the board realize some people might run into something unexpected and perhaps they should have built in some contingencies?


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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We did build in contingencies. Still the refusal and "inability" to pay is astounding.

ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
Posted:
The homeowners are not "suddenly" asked to pay several thousand dollars. They have known since 2026 that a new roof was needed. Previous boards could have made sure this happened at a fraction of the cost it will be today.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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This topic comes up from time to time here.
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Posted By NA1 on 01/05/2024 8:03 AM
They can get a home equity loan? Its not as if the money is to add a new swimming pool.

Frankly its not your problem if they can’t afford it. Some people will complain that they can’t afford repairs even if they have a ton of money.
I continue to think this point is valid. On the other hand, I also think DavidG45's point is important:
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Posted By DavidG45 on 01/05/2024 8:17 AM
I disagree. If the HOA's Board has failed in its financial planning to the extent that homeowners are suddenly facing a several thousand dollar special assessment, which some are unable to pay, that is both ethically and practically a problem for the HOA.
On the third hand --

-- I think maybe owners played a role here as well, by failing to watch their boards and watching the assessment, say, stay constant for years and years. If this does not set off alarms in a condo/townhome owner's head, then they are not thinking, period.

-- the reality is the pressure is on to replace the roofs. How does the HOA raise the money?
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 8:23 AM
Yes, it is a problem for the HOA because the roof has to be paid for by 6/30/2024.
And old roofs can leak, causing more damage.

Time is perhaps of the essence here.

I think I would vote to come down hard and refuse any blanket extension. People can apply on a case by case basis, to the extent the governing documents and statutes allow.

Another option is for the HOA to seek a loan.

My favorite mega-tale of a condo association, with a remarkable president (a psychotherapist no less) that had to get tough with special assessments (including foreclosing on a number of owners), because the building was literally crumbling: https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower

All you directors are so underpaid. As regulation continues in its inevitable growth, and the population of hungry lawyers continues to explode, placing ever more demands on directors, I figure that increasingly HOA directors will be paid within 20 years. Not much. But something along the lines of City Councilors.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/05/2024 8:14 AM
NA1 in my HOA some neighbors want to install a pool and clubhouse. I told them that would raise dues to close to $500 a month plus the few thousand in special assessment to build a possible $300 to $500 K pool/clubhouse used 3 months of the year.

I got an ear full of how wrong I was about how much it would cost. Plus it was okay to kick in 1 to 2 k for the project... I am like NOT from every household it is not feasible. Your adding on a few hundred a month to someones budget who already is struggling to afford the home they bought.

It seems a little unfair to say the least of how people should be able to afford this or that. One should save for emergencies etc. however when it comes to pay for said emergency it does not mean they can.

A new pool and clubhouse would almost certainly be considered a capital improvement that would require an amendment to the CC&Rs that is approved by a (super)majority of homeowners (67% or 74%). And construction costs are only part of it. You have operations (water, chemicals, inspections) plus staff to supervise plus significant increases to your insurance. If the enough of the community doesn't want this (25% or 33%) then it isn't happening no matter how vocal some people are.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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Respectfully, a pool is a HUGE expense. Avoid it if at all possible. Our building was built in 1979 in Minnesota. At that time and indoor pool was a big deal, now, not so much at condo's. Many people in our association enjoy the pool but it is expensive to maintain.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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How many roofs are there? With your language of "the roof," it sounds like your HOA is one condo building, Christine?
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
Posted:
3 BUILDINGS. RUBBER ROOF, VERY EXPENSIVE!!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I should add I am 100% against the pool and clubhouse. I am the one who puts reality into the conversation. These are young people who never lived in a HOA before. Plus we are sandwiched between the "rich" neighborhoods in town. They have clubhouse and golf courses etc...

I do point out the changes required, money, maintenance, and lack of use. They just think money falls from mommy and daddy. That one should have 1K at a drop of a hat ...

When I was unemployed and wiped out where could not buy anything at the dollar tree.. My laptop broke. My only means for getting a job. I had to scrape up and pray to buy a cheap one. After someone saw I posted had bought a laptop,, they were like I was not broke. That I had money. I did not have a dime in my piggy bank. So do not assume buying a big purchase or a trip means money. They could be taking a trip for a funeral or job search.

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 8:53 AM
The homeowners are not "suddenly" asked to pay several thousand dollars. They have known since 2026 that a new roof was needed. Previous boards could have made sure this happened at a fraction of the cost it will be today.

In that case, the current board had to do what's necessary - homeowners may squawk, but this is what happens when you don't plan or think by the time the shit hits the fan, you'll be long gone from the community. Didn't ANYONE learn from Surfside - this is part of the reason that happened (and no, I'm not ignoring the other stuff).

I don't why people think a roof or anything else will last forever and ever, especially when it's exposed to sun, wind, rain, tornados (in some ares), hurricanes (in other areas), and/or snow (in my area) 24/7. The homeowners can howl, but it's either that or be prepared to blanket the community with tarps and your living space with buckets. I feel their pain but life happens and it's more of a problem when you don't face reality.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DeanJ
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 8:18 AM
The reserve account was underfunded for the past 30 years by 30 years of poor management companies and boards that were intimidated by homeowners to adequately fund the reserves. Now, all 5 of the new board members are left trying to figure this out, and guess who the homeowners are blaming? The roof was scheduled to be replaced in 2016, the previous board members never got it done.

And that is how it happens folks, except I would not blame the past management - they take direction from the Board.
The day of reckoning has come. Your duty is to the Association - period. Here is my advice, it is tough love.

No extensions, no payment plans. Understand you have 3 types of owners. Those that can afford it, will rationally understand the need and will pay. Those who can afford it with some life style modification, but they don’t want to pay, rationalize it in a way they should not pay and/ or tell you they can’t. And those that can’t pay.

If you try to help those who can’t pay, you are extending an existing problem. Your association cannot have owners who are cannot afford to live there . It is likely the current Board will take action so the HOA doesn’t find itself in the same situation in the future. That means realistic reserve funding and a fee increase on top of the emergency assessment. If they can’t afford to live in your HOA, where they can afford to live is their problem and not yours.

The folks who can pay and will complain about it. - they helped get the HOA in the situation. They may get angry, they may claim the replacement is unneeded right now, they may claim your estimates are too high, they may threaten to remove you from the Board. Ignore them and do your duty.

What happens long term will tell you if you are staying or selling.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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If it were me, I would have a discussion with our attorney about offering extended payment plans say 3 months, 6 months, one year. The plans would also include interest/service charges and late payment charges.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Adding one more piece of advice. Update your collection policy and send it with the assessment . Your policy should be clear there are late charges and if they don’t pay it’s headed to the attorney for collection and possible foreclosure.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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I agree with Cathy and David from DE. Offer everyone a payment plan. Not everyone has $4K lying around.
And Yes, this is poor financial planning for an HOA especially a condo where they should have the reserves
to fund this.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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What we have offered thus far is 6 months to pay, no interest, no penalties. What the homeowners want is for the HOA to take out at 3-5 year loan, paying $45,000 to $60,000 in interest so they can have "small" monthly payments. Oh, it must be said that we have another $450,000 in repairs that need to be done on our 3 buildings within 2-3 years, which is why the board is refusing to take out a 3-5 year loan. And yes, you are correct, homeowners are mad, cursing, threatening, making a ruckus at meetings, you know the type. We, the board, believe we are exercising our fiduciary responsibilities to protect the investment that every homeowner has made in these buildings. I really appreciate each of you that have posted your suggestions and ideas. Thank you so much!! Christine
ElleN (Idaho)
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ChristineS7, is this a condominium subject to Minnesota's Condo statute?

I suggest the board appoint two people to check around and see if a lender would be willing to make a loan with buildings in such significant disrepair. If no lenders will make such a loan, then the loan issue is moot.

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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 12:45 PM
What we have offered thus far is 6 months to pay, no interest, no penalties. What the homeowners want is for the HOA to take out at 3-5 year loan, paying $45,000 to $60,000 in interest so they can have "small" monthly payments. Christine
I advise doing a survey of the owners about whether to take out a loan. The results of the survey are not binding on the board.

The reason I advise this is that, if enough owners want the loan, and the incumbent board decides against the loan, the owners might decide to replace the current board at the next election. The new board supposedly will want to arrange a loan.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, ELLEN. WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT THE OWNERS MIGHT MOVE TO REPLACE US. CHRISTINE
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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Ok, let me see if I can stick a stake through this idea. A $3,500 loan at 9% interest for 36 month is ~ 112.00 per month payment and $239.00 a month on $7500.00. Tbe only way the HOA can accomplish a loan is to increase the monthly fee equal to the amortization.

This too would be unacceptable to the just borrow the money crowd.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By DeanJ on 01/05/2024 5:52 PM
Ok, let me see if I can stick a stake through this idea. A $3,500 loan at 9% interest for 36 month is ~ 112.00 per month payment and $239.00 a month on $7500.00. Tbe only way the HOA can accomplish a loan is to increase the monthly fee equal to the amortization.

This too would be unacceptable to the just borrow the money crowd.
I too wonder about the financial math skills of the "just borrow the money" crowd.

Perhaps a town hall presenting real life dollar figures (loan vs. special assessment) to owners would be worthwhile. Beat the bustards down with numbers (real ones).
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I so agree with Dean's stake. Do NOT do the survey.

I also was going to suggest a Town Hall style gathering, which I often have promoted on this forum. Our HOA holds a couple year on big topics. There are nice tips for holding successful HOA Town Halls you can google.

Do you have good place on your premises for such meeting Christine? These Town Halls are most effective if you can get an expert to present to pros and cons in an accessible way. Make sure there's plenty of time for Q &A. Hmm, maybe have your HOA attorney attend as well?? I dunno, but as suggested consult with them about both a loan and payment pans.

Usually a board member, perhaps the one mosts familiar with this topic, emcees the event, introduces th presenter(s), fields owner questions. do limit owners' questions or remarks to 2 minutes. Since you want great attendance, do it during a time a when a lot of owners can attend. If you can, have a nice array of pastries & coffee.

How many condos are there, Christine? I'm also a little puzzled why 5 directors all are new simultaneously? What a tough situation you find yourselves in! Are there more than 5?

And you say the roofs must be paid for by 6/24? Will they be done by then? if not can your Board arrange a different payment arrangement with the contractor?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/05/2024 7:28 PM
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if not can your Board arrange a different payment arrangement with the contractor?

It's worth asking (no stone unturned, and all that). But the housing market has been pretty hot for a number of years, and roofers have had no shortage of work. Things have slowed down some as a result of higher interest rates, but in my area homes are still selling well. You're also looking at having the work done during prime building season, when everybody is busy. So I wouldn't expect roofers to cut a deal unless they're looking for work. I'd actually be a bit concerned if they were willing to do so - I'd wonder why.

I second the idea of holding a town hall and explaining in gory detail the true cost of borrowing the money. And that's assuming you could even get a loan - banks usually give some side eye to communities without adequate reserves, and they'll charge higher interest rates to riskier borrowers. A loan is a sure fire way of paying more for less, and paying off a loan means biting the bullet and increasing those assessments. Loans put more money into the hands of those who have plenty - ie., the bankers - and take it out of the hands of those without. The interest you pay on the loan is a surcharge for poor planning (*). It's depressing that so few people understand how this works.

(* Yes, I know it's more complicated than that. But the poor planning definitely applies in this case.)

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 5:11 PM
THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, ELLEN. WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT THE OWNERS MIGHT MOVE TO REPLACE US. CHRISTINE


To be blunt, if your community is dumb enough to do this, I recommend selling your condo while you still can get a decent price for it. (A few years ago we fielded a question from a condo owner who was desperate to sell but couldn't because there were tarps all over the roofs. I think she and others in her building paid out of pocket to fix their own roof and she was able to sell. Things can always get worse, is what I'm saying.)
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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Correction, owners have known since 2012 that the roof needed replacing; it was scheduled to be started in 2016. Previous board members had the attitude of "if it's not leaking don't fix it". So, now it is leaking and the price quote has doubled over the past 8 years.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
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We have had several meetings discussing the financing of this project. Homeowners have each received written notification of the loan vs. cash options. We have monthly board meetings open to all homeowners, Out of 150 people who live here, usually 5-10 people show up at the meetings, that is until we notified them of the assessment, then 40 people showed up to the meeting. About 35 people understand the importance of replacing the roof. About 5 people are screaming mad and state that they cannot pay the assessment and want the board to take out a loan to pay for the roofs.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
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This might be what has to happen!!
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
Posts: 58
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This might be what has to happen!!
KerryL1 (California)
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By 150 people, I think that means 150 Units, Christine? If so, 5 units really is a tiny minority. It sounds like you're done all the right things in terms of notifying owners and explaining things to them.

I'll just add that sometimes an outside "expert's" in person explanation, power point presentation, etc. reaches people.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/06/2024 9:23 AM
About 5 people are screaming mad and state that they cannot pay the assessment and want the board to take out a loan to pay for the roofs.
With such a tiny minority, I would keep in mind that the problem may be directors who want to please everyone. Said directors need to be reminded that if everyone is happy, something is probably very wrong.

AFAIC this (apparent) tiny minority (along with all owners) deserves an explanation of the numbers and maybe a chance to respond to a survey, and that's it.

I do not see what the problem is with a survey. People's views may tend to become more malleable when they hear that a large majority sees things differently than they do. Peer pressure. The herd. And so on. I thought a large majority on this forum favored taking some "advisory input" on certain topics where the board has some discretion.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
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Correction: We gave 96 units, about 150 people, maybe less. Christine
NA1 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/05/2024 8:14 AM
NA1 in my HOA some neighbors want to install a pool and clubhouse. I told them that would raise dues to close to $500 a month plus the few thousand in special assessment to build a possible $300 to $500 K pool/clubhouse used 3 months of the year.

I got an ear full of how wrong I was about how much it would cost. Plus it was okay to kick in 1 to 2 k for the project... I am like NOT from every household it is not feasible. Your adding on a few hundred a month to someones budget who already is struggling to afford the home they bought.

It seems a little unfair to say the least of how people should be able to afford this or that. One should save for emergencies etc. however when it comes to pay for said emergency it does not mean they can.

Adding a pool/clubhouse is a new amenity. A luxury.

Replacing a roof is a necessity. There has always been a roof and always will. It’s unfortunate that the association has failed to allocate funds appropriately but the people who complain they can’t afford the extra money for the reserve are likely many of fhe same ones who now complain when there isn’t enough money for the roof.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
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NA1, you are EXACTLY CORRECT.
NA1 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By ElleN on 01/05/2024 5:09 PM
ChristineS7, is this a condominium subject to Minnesota's Condo statute?

I suggest the board appoint two people to check around and see if a lender would be willing to make a loan with buildings in such significant disrepair. If no lenders will make such a loan, then the loan issue is moot.

Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/05/2024 12:45 PM
What we have offered thus far is 6 months to pay, no interest, no penalties. What the homeowners want is for the HOA to take out at 3-5 year loan, paying $45,000 to $60,000 in interest so they can have "small" monthly payments. Christine
I advise doing a survey of the owners about whether to take out a loan. The results of the survey are not binding on the board.

The reason I advise this is that, if enough owners want the loan, and the incumbent board decides against the loan, the owners might decide to replace the current board at the next election. The new board supposedly will want to arrange a loan.

Better if they just go get their own loans based on their own credit rather than saddle everyone else.
ChristineS7 (Minnesota)
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YES NA1, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROMOTING AND PREACHING. "BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING OUT A LOAN" OR "I'M ALREADY DOING DEBT CONSOLIDATION SO I CAN'T TAKE OUT ANOTHER LOAN."
NA1 (Massachusetts)
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/06/2024 12:51 PM
YES NA1, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROMOTING AND PREACHING. "BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING OUT A LOAN" OR "I'M ALREADY DOING DEBT CONSOLIDATION SO I CAN'T TAKE OUT ANOTHER LOAN."

They want to communitize their debt issues. Their problem.
DeanJ
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Posted By ChristineS7 on 01/06/2024 12:51 PM
YES NA1, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN PROMOTING AND PREACHING. "BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE TAKING OUT A LOAN" OR "I'M ALREADY DOING DEBT CONSOLIDATION SO I CAN'T TAKE OUT ANOTHER LOAN."

ā€œWE DON’T OWE YOU A PLACE OF YOUR CHOOSING TO LIVEā€.

DeanJ
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Does an HOA Loan Require Collateral or Other Security?

Typically, if the loan went into default, we’d have the right to collect HOA, CID, and PUD assessments directly from the homeowners. Individual officers and homeowners are not required to personally guarantee an HOA loan or line of credit, because the borrower is the HOA, which is a separate business entity.

It appears to me if the HOA borrows the money, you are current on all fees, enough people default so HOA cannot repay the the loan, everyone gets to pay.

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