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PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Over the last few weeks two of our more 'notable' residents have significantly damaged our HOA property and have not reimbursed us for the repair costs.

In the first case, the resident drove over a group of mailboxes. We had a witness and a police report. Cost of repair $900. In the second incident, the resident couldn't wait for the gate to open and drove through the gate doing $1000 of damage. All on security video. Resident 'promised' to pay.

Neither of these residents have responded to written requests. Neither has paid the 2008 HOA assessment which was due January 1st. While we can (and are) taking the steps to place a lien on the homes for non-payment of the assessment, we don't seem to have a way to collect for the damages.

We are looking for ways to deal with the issue. Other than hiring an attorney - who has already cost us $2500 dealing with one resident - is there anything we can do?
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Tell the residents that you want to file a 3rd party liability claim for PD against their insurance company and ask them who handles their insurance. If they won't tell you, then call the police, file a formal report and try to ascertain the insurance information through them. I know that in some states, the police will either tell you what insurance carrier is listed with the Motor Vehicle Adminstration, or they will force the resident to disclose the insurance information. Most states require that you keep this information on file with DMV. If this doesn't work, I've also just tried calling the largest 3 insurance companies and attempt to file a claim through each one. Sometimes, you'll get lucky and get to the right insurance carrier and sometimes not. Then otherwise, see if you can file through small claims court. Good luck.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
PeterB1,

I’m certainly no lawyer, by any means, although it sounds to me, your association would need to sue the HO to recover money spent to fix the repairs and ALL expenses incurred, court costs and attorney should also be recovered.

I understand that you don’t have “extra” money to hire an attorney, however I don’t believe there is anything else you can do, in order to collect for these damages!

Both incidences seem like an open and closed case, although the witness maybe questionable, in a court of law. However, the video surveillance would seem to be pretty sound PROOF. IMO

In my association we (BOD) can assess a specific assessment-basically you can charge the HO the costs of such damages. Which would require an attorney.
Unfortunately it takes money to make money!

Hopefully others will have some less expensive advice to offer

Best of luck
Chuck W.
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CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
I feel the advice MikeS1 has provide seems very sensible and certainly cost efficient, to the association.

Sense both cases of vandalism were to HOA property and both involved vehicles. I too would think you would able to file a claim, but if the accused won’t settle then you obviously don’t have a choice, but to file!

I’m certain this discussion forum will provide you with additional suggestions.
Until then, best of luck

Chuck W.

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WayneB3 (NV)
Posts: 51
Posted:
If you consider this vandalism I wouldn't bother with insurance. Otherwise do a thorough background check, that will often lead to the insurance carrier and if they were insured at the time.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
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Posted By WayneB3 on 01/29/2008 7:20 AM
If you consider this vandalism I wouldn't bother with insurance. Otherwise do a thorough background check, that will often lead to the insurance carrier and if they were insured at the time.

WayneB3

You can call it whatever you want to, in order to be able to make a claim with the issuance company. Besides according to the many definitions on-line the damages that were done are also a form of vandalism. Although your insurance company may not approve such claims “IF” you are classifying it as vandalism. You would be correct there!

Vandalism- is the malicious and deliberate defacement or destruction of somebody else's property

Just too clarify
Chuck W.

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PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
PeterB1: Do you have a police report for both incidents? Can the police and DMV be of help here to assist in next steps and to learn of insurance coverage.

You would certainly need proof of the incidents showing that the resident/s actually committed the 'crimes', as well as the police reports that would detail both situations.

MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Paul, Gerald and Charles - Thanks for all your input. We've asked the bidding contractors for alternative quoates with either shorter hours or close one day during the week. We'll advertise this in the agenda, but when the word gets out on this thought process, it will be like advertising free beer at the monthly meeting. There's no doubt that everyone will be coming out on this one and the folks that we be most vocal, will be the few diehard folks who use the pool as a babysitting service. Most folks would care less and would be OK if it meant controlling spiraling costs. Thanks again.
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Mike,

Excellent suggestion. I have the police report & insurance. Can I just call them and 'submit' a claim? Have you ever done this.

peter
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
PeterB1:

I believe 'you' want to be careful when submitting a claim. Call the association's insurance agent, explain the situation that has occurred and that you are seeking guidance on behalf of the assn. to rectify damage created by a resident driver w/vehicle. The assn. insurance is liability insurance the Board must carry to protect themselves in assn. matters, but as an insurance agent they may be able to assist with a process you need to follow.

The claim should not come from a person, but I believe from the Board on behalf of the Association (name). Document with photos, and any back-up reports to confirm the incidents.

MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Peter - You have the Insurance information for the folks who caused the damages? If so, Yes, Peter, Carefully document your claim for damages with as many facts that you know along with the proof which is the security tapes (I assume) and then call the Insurance carrier. Tell them that you'd like to file a claim for property damage against one of their insured. Make sure that you have all your documentation such as repair bills and/or repair estimates.

No one should be forced to file suit against the other party and no one should be force to use their own 1st party insurance coverage and then wait for their insurance company to subrogate the claim. In most states, it's against the law for any insurance company to force you to use your first party coverage under your policy.

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