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JasonP7 (California)
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I mistakenly missed a couple HOA payments. The HOA treasure too a snapshot of my payments and send it to every resident saying I am behind on my payments. Is he allowed to do this? The snapshots he sent has my bank name and partial account numbers on it and he sent it to everyone. Is he allowed to do this? Is there some privacylaw he is violating?
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:11 PM
I mistakenly missed a couple HOA payments. The HOA treasure too a snapshot of my payments and send it to every resident saying I am behind on my payments. Is he allowed to do this? The snapshots he sent has my bank name and partial account numbers on it and he sent it to everyone. Is he allowed to do this?
California statutes do not clearly prohibit publishing a delinquent owner's name. See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/P/Publishing-Names

This is bad conduct by the treasurer, but even if you hired an attorney, I do not like your chances of getting justice here.
JasonP7 (California)
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It says you can publish names, but he gave out private banking info.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:35 PM
It says you can publish names, but he gave out private banking info.
I want to operate in reality here. The treasurer did not give out your account numbers. Furthermore, every check you write gives the recipient your account number. Consider why this is not a problem.

I would be pretty disgusted with a treasurer (and board) who did this. But I do not think I would have much recourse to punish him (or them) for it. It would not be something for which I would pay for an attorney's opinion. Plus I think it is important to acknowledge that this started with a mistake by you. Your hands are not clean here. And lest you think that other corporations are much more generous: Homeowners' associations are not like for-profit corporate america. They are run by unpaid volunteers, who often give many hours. I think it is thee least rewarding volunteer gig a person can have. They do not want to give hours and hours to collecting debt. So they may be harsh.

Let's see what others think.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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They did not give out your full account information. I can get a routing number of pretty much any bank online. I just can not get your specific account number. So exposing a routing number on a check is not personal.
My checks have a bank routing number with one digit on the end indicating it is for checking. It then after a space has the account number then the check number. My atm card still would need a security code which is on the back of card.

It is not unusual for some HOA to share names of those who are behind in dues. I do not like it but it is not illegal.

Former HOA President
DeanJ
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You have a valid complaint and the treasurer needs to be more professional in his conduct. The costs associated with late payment is proper punitive action, not shaming you in public.

As an aboard member, I don’t follow late pays. Written agreements are in place with management and the attorney to provide a standard procedure. Payment records go electronically to the attorney each month. If a homeowner gets too far behind, the collection agreement with the attorney authorizes them to automatically start collections, liens and foreclosure. If it gets that far, you are really going to be unhappy because all the attorney fees are on you.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Should they have done it? In my opinion, NO.

I did a search but could not find if HOA/COAs are subject to the expanded California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA).

If they are, you may have cause for action.

You may need to consult with an attorney about the issue.
Another option would be to file a complaint with the attorney generals office and see what happens.

see: Consumer Complaint Against A Business/Company

Note: The complaint would be against the Association, not the one individual.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/02/2024 10:30 PM

I did a search but could not find if HOA/COAs are subject to the expanded California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA).

If they are, you may have cause for action.

You may need to consult with an attorney about the issue.
Another option would be to file a complaint with the attorney generals office and see what happens.

see: Consumer Complaint Against A Business/Company

Note: The complaint would be against the Association, not the one individual.

Ignore my last posting.

I did find it. The CCPA only applies for profit businesses.

See: When does the CCPA Apply and Who (and What) is Covered? 2019 article (scroll down the page a bit).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Keep in mind we don't know what context this information was sent. Was there others behind as well? Is this a report that is normally sent out to members?

I don't like that they would send a snapshot with name and PARTIAL account information. However, we don't know if this is normal operations or policy.

Our collection reports we only go by lot #. Which has to be written on the memo part of the check. The name of whomever wrote the check or from what bank doesn't matter. It applies to the lot#.

Your neighbors/members do have a right to know the financials of the HOA. This does include whom is behind in dues. It's uncomfortable but not necessarily "private" information.

You would not be doing much for suing. I would instead request this policy be changed for additional privacy. Like go by Lot #'s and Not names. Plus no publishing of financial information like bank names/partial bank account #'s. Using Lot #'s and a spreadsheet of payment history should suffice IMO until the lien/foreclosure process gets involved.

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DeanJ
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 4:43 AM
Keep in mind we don't know what context this information was sent. Was there others behind as well? Is this a report that is normally sent out to members?

I don't like that they would send a snapshot with name and PARTIAL account information. However, we don't know if this is normal operations or policy.

Our collection reports we only go by lot #. Which has to be written on the memo part of the check. The name of whomever wrote the check or from what bank doesn't matter. It applies to the lot#.

Your neighbors/members do have a right to know the financials of the HOA. This does include whom is behind in dues. It's uncomfortable but not necessarily "private" information.

You would not be doing much for suing. I would instead request this policy be changed for additional privacy. Like go by Lot #'s and Not names. Plus no publishing of financial information like bank names/partial bank account #'s. Using Lot #'s and a spreadsheet of payment history should suffice IMO until the lien/foreclosure process gets involved.

Using a lot number provides zero confidentiality and it is the same as publishing owners name. If a Board believes it has a duty to report delinquencies, they should assign unique account numbers that can’t be associated to the lot owner and report it that way.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Lot numbers offered the best privacy option. There are no names, addresses, or other PII associated with it. It was the HOA account. Plus to know what lot number belonged to someone you had to have a special map. Which most of our HOA members did not have a plat map of the neighborhood. I found one as it is public information. However it was not made available unless requested to view.

It is impossible to keep such information private as it really is not to be. Members have a right to the members list. Which has more information on it than our collections report. Which collection report only given to board members. You could ask to view your specific account on it. However we could not deny any member the list. It did just have lot numbers anyways. No names.

IMO a member does not need to know who owes money. They need to know the board has a policy in place to collect. Plus are collecting per policy. We had 6 months we lien. 1 year we consider foreclosure. We just told members in meetings that we were pursuing a lien on lot X or sent a letter to lot Y. It showed we took action.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 6:01 AM

Which most of our HOA members did not have a plat map of the neighborhood. I found one as it is public information. However it was not made available unless requested to view.

That has changed in many States, as they digitize more and more records.
Many PLATS and property records are available via the internet.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:11 PM
I mistakenly missed a couple HOA payments. The HOA treasure too a snapshot of my payments and send it to every resident saying I am behind on my payments. Is he allowed to do this? The snapshots he sent has my bank name and partial account numbers on it and he sent it to everyone. Is he allowed to do this? Is there some privacylaw he is violating?

The association absolutely cannot share your name, property address, email, phone number and most of all your bank account or SS#. You can take them to small claims court for injunction, costs, attorneys fees, and actual damages. See Civil Code section 5230. And if you have opted out of being on the membership list, that's another violation. Each mailing is a separate offense. Don't anyone tell you small claims is not the right place.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:35 PM
It says you can publish names, but he gave out private banking info.

Wrong. No name, property address, email, phone without member's permission, especially if member had opted out of membership list.
DeanJ
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 6:01 AM
Lot numbers offered the best privacy option. There are no names, addresses, or other PII associated with it. It was the HOA account. Plus to know what lot number belonged to someone you had to have a special map. Which most of our HOA members did not have a plat map of the neighborhood. I found one as it is public information. However it was not made available unless requested to view.

It is impossible to keep such information private as it really is not to be. Members have a right to the members list. Which has more information on it than our collections report. Which collection report only given to board members. You could ask to view your specific account on it. However we could not deny any member the list. It did just have lot numbers anyways. No names.

IMO a member does not need to know who owes money. They need to know the board has a policy in place to collect. Plus are collecting per policy. We had 6 months we lien. 1 year we consider foreclosure. We just told members in meetings that we were pursuing a lien on lot X or sent a letter to lot Y. It showed we took action.

From an example of the online real estate tax records from my county.

Legal Description 80 Normandy SEC THREE

Want to guess the lot number?

TerriS6 (California)
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5220
A member of the association may opt out of the sharing of that member’s name, property address, email address, and mailing address by notifying the association in writing that the member prefers to be contacted via the alternative process described in subdivision (c) of Section 8330 of the Corporations Code. This opt-out shall remain in effect until changed by the member.

5230
(c)
(1) An association or its managing agent shall not do either of the following:
(B) Transmit a member’s personal information to a third party without the consent of the member unless required to do so by law, including, but not limited to, Article 5 (commencing with Section 5200).
(2) A member may bring an action against an association that violates this subdivision for injunctive relief and actual damages caused by the violation. A member shall be entitled to recover reasonable costs and expenses, including reasonable attorney’s fees, in a successful action to enforce the member’s rights under this subdivision.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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It should be noted a HOA is never to have a social security number of any member. Your address is NOT a secret. I can drive by and get it off your house or mailbox. Which then can Google the address. Plus can go to the tax office to find your address and name. You can not opt out of tax records.

A email address is not public nor your cell phone number. Otherwise I can find any members address and or name simply by taking my dogs for a walk.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Your lot number is the number 80 most likely. However, I simply go to the tax asscesors office to get the actual lot number. It is public information.

Also if placing a lien or foreclosure, it has to be published in a public resource. Which is the local paper classified section. Usually under the legals section when printed.

I have found out a few members behind in dues like an LLC or multiple landlords listed there under other property addresses.

The information you think is private is not. Just because your HOA can not release it does not mean other public sources can not. I have tracked down a few people in my life time...


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LoriM15 (Florida)
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I can't comment on California HOA rules. It's not clear to me what form the treasurer published that information in - was it a list taken from their online payment system? Or a copy of the last payment information? I agree it wasn't very professional of the treasurer to do that - it could have been handled in other ways.

But here's a recent situation we had in Florida.

We had several owners who owed many months of dues and weren't paying. All had received every proper notice of late payments and were getting charged late fees and interest, all in accordance with Florida FS 720 and our declaration.

We decided to suspend the rights of these owners to use the amenities (allowed in FS 720 and our documents). In order to do that, we had to have a board vote. Since every action taken at a meeting must be on the agenda that is posted 48 hours in advance, we had to list the action and the address. We did not use names, but we did vote per address. These addresses are also in the official minutes of the meeting. If I were to request a roster of owners in Florida, I would receive all owners names, unit numbers and mailing addresses because there's no way to opt out of the owner's roster and it's considered a public record. Although the list is not supposed to include personal identifying information (like phone numbers or emails), the statute doesn't define what that is. So I think you would be hard pressed to get the association sanctioned for that.

We did not use the owner's names in our case. But we could have legally done that.

Privacy is an illusion in today's world. Our county has a searchable database of every property, so with the address you can look up the owner, the owner's permanent address, how much they owe on the property, their tax history, etc. It's easy to get a phone number and an email address by doing an internet search. In Florida, you can even easily find out what political party they are registered to.

Our county also has all court records online. You can search the records by name for every court case. So I was able to find out, within seconds, that two of the three properties have foreclosure cases filed against them. Unless it's a divorce or a custody case, all of the records of the case are visible. I know how much each of these owners is delinquent on their mortgages and even when their hearings are being held.

TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 7:42 AM
It should be noted a HOA is never to have a social security number of any member. Your address is NOT a secret. I can drive by and get it off your house or mailbox. Which then can Google the address. Plus can go to the tax office to find your address and name. You can not opt out of tax records.

A email address is not public nor your cell phone number. Otherwise I can find any members address and or name simply by taking my dogs for a walk.

Your comments are beside the point. An association is under unique laws to protect homeowners. Whether or not a member's personal information can be found by other means, the association itself is forbidden from sharing it without the member's permission.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By ElleN on 01/02/2024 6:23 PM
Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:11 PM
I mistakenly missed a couple HOA payments. The HOA treasure too a snapshot of my payments and send it to every resident saying I am behind on my payments. Is he allowed to do this? The snapshots he sent has my bank name and partial account numbers on it and he sent it to everyone. Is he allowed to do this?
California statutes do not clearly prohibit publishing a delinquent owner's name. See https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/P/Publishing-Names

This is bad conduct by the treasurer, but even if you hired an attorney, I do not like your chances of getting justice here.

Here is an example of law firm bias in favor of boards and against members. They frequently omit information that help members and that could get a board into trouble.
LoriM15 (Florida)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 7:55 AM

Your comments are beside the point. An association is under unique laws to protect homeowners. Whether or not a member's personal information can be found by other means, the association itself is forbidden from sharing it without the member's permission.

And as I just explained above, that may be for California but doesn't apply for all states. I don't need member permission to share certain information in Florida. I'm sure other states have the same rules.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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No crap Sherlock. You have to be responsible for some things yourself. It is called putting your big pants on and getting rid of the adult diaper.

Former HOA President
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 7:49 AM
Your lot number is the number 80 most likely. However, I simply go to the tax asscesors office to get the actual lot number. It is public information.

Also if placing a lien or foreclosure, it has to be published in a public resource. Which is the local paper classified section. Usually under the legals section when printed.

I have found out a few members behind in dues like an LLC or multiple landlords listed there under other property addresses.

The information you think is private is not. Just because your HOA can not release it does not mean other public sources can not. I have tracked down a few people in my life time...


Sometimes, as seems to be the case here, a board will use a member's personal information to shame, embarrass, or expose to scorn. That is wrong and we have laws against it in California.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By LoriM15 on 01/03/2024 8:02 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 7:55 AM

Your comments are beside the point. An association is under unique laws to protect homeowners. Whether or not a member's personal information can be found by other means, the association itself is forbidden from sharing it without the member's permission.


And as I just explained above, that may be for California but doesn't apply for all states. I don't need member permission to share certain information in Florida. I'm sure other states have the same rules.


The poster is from California. All other states are irrelevant to his question.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 8:04 AM

Sometimes, as seems to be the case here, a board will use a member's personal information to shame, embarrass, or expose to scorn. That is wrong and we have laws against it in California.

I agree it's wrong, as I posted earlier.

Since you specified there are CA laws against it, please reference them.

I ask, because the one's I have seen appear to be optional for the Association and it would help the OP.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/03/2024 8:30 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 8:04 AM

Sometimes, as seems to be the case here, a board will use a member's personal information to shame, embarrass, or expose to scorn. That is wrong and we have laws against it in California.


I agree it's wrong, as I posted earlier.

Since you specified there are CA laws against it, please reference them.

I ask, because the one's I have seen appear to be optional for the Association and it would help the OP.

I did already. Please see above. I personally have a court order against association not to share my name, address, email, phone, or any other identifying information where anyone can see it by mail, email, bulletin board, website, etc. that can discourage board personal attacks as they so often do.
TerriS6 (California)
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"Shall not transmit" is not optional.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 8:51 AM
Posted By TimB4 on 01/03/2024 8:30 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 8:04 AM

Sometimes, as seems to be the case here, a board will use a member's personal information to shame, embarrass, or expose to scorn. That is wrong and we have laws against it in California.


I agree it's wrong, as I posted earlier.

Since you specified there are CA laws against it, please reference them.

I ask, because the one's I have seen appear to be optional for the Association and it would help the OP.


I did already. Please see above. I personally have a court order against association not to share my name, address, email, phone, or any other identifying information where anyone can see it by mail, email, bulletin board, website, etc. that can discourage board personal attacks as they so often do.

Yes, because as Board members we just sit around trying to determine who is the next personal attack victim. What is sad is these folks follow the rules, pay their fees, and outstanding citizens of the community in every way. We just got to get someone and the choice isn’t always easy. Give a break.
TerriS6 (California)
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There are good and bad directors. If you read here any length of time, you will see that boards who are justly criticized or who have their power threatened DO retaliate against innocent members.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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The treasurer was unprofessional and could put the association at risk. We were warned by our attorney that if we released erroneous financial information we could be libel for damages. Our financial reports show the total amount of delinquencies but not who or what one owes. The BOD is privy to names and amounts owed.

Myself I am all for public shaming but again if wrong it could result in damages being awarded.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 7:55 AM
Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/03/2024 7:42 AM
It should be noted a HOA is never to have a social security number of any member. Your address is NOT a secret. I can drive by and get it off your house or mailbox. Which then can Google the address. Plus can go to the tax office to find your address and name. You can not opt out of tax records.

A email address is not public nor your cell phone number. Otherwise I can find any members address and or name simply by taking my dogs for a walk.


Your comments are beside the point. An association is under unique laws to protect homeowners. Whether or not a member's personal information can be found by other means, the association itself is forbidden from sharing it without the member's permission.
This is California law. Florida statutes, for one, are quite a bit different on this issue.
TerriS6 (California)
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The poster is from California.
TerriS6 (California)
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Public shaming is not a good collection practice.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 6:59 AM
Posted By JasonP7 on 01/02/2024 6:11 PM
I mistakenly missed a couple HOA payments. The HOA treasure too a snapshot of my payments and send it to every resident saying I am behind on my payments. Is he allowed to do this? The snapshots he sent has my bank name and partial account numbers on it and he sent it to everyone. Is he allowed to do this? Is there some privacylaw he is violating?


The association absolutely cannot share your name, property address, email, phone number and most of all your bank account or SS#. You can take them to small claims court for injunction, costs, attorneys fees, and actual damages. See Civil Code section 5230. And if you have opted out of being on the membership list, that's another violation. Each mailing is a separate offense. Don't anyone tell you small claims is not the right place.
In California, small claims court jurisdiction in HOA disputes is highly limited.* To enforce California Civil Code section XYZ in Small Claims court, the Civil Code must expressly state that small claims court has jurisdiction over enforcing section XYZ. E.g. see Civ Code 5235.

I think it's true that the HOA (through its agent, the Treasurer) violated Civil Code 5230 (c) (1) (B). The problem is 53230 (c) (2) does not say that small claims court has jurisdiction. Instead the latter section says an owner can seek injunctive relief and actual damages and "shall be entitled to recover" attorney fees if successful.

I doubt there are any actual damages. If Jason wanted to lawyer up and point out 5230 (c) (1) (B), then maybe a hungry lawyer might be interested.

In California small claims court, attorneys are not allowed at hearings. The Ca small claims court purpose is geared towards not involving attorneys. Perhaps the risk of doing what Terri proposes in small claims court is not so great. TerriS6 says she succeeded in small claims court, enforcing a section of the Civil Code where the Code does not say small claims court has jurisdiction. But at some point, I expect a HOA is going to figure out that it can ask a Ca small claims court to dismiss cases like this, for lack of jurisdiction, and win the dismissal.

The target on the OP's back might become quite large. He may want to keep reading this forum to see how owners suffer small affronts (often after perpetrating their own affront, like not paying dues) often explode into a full-blown war.

*See California Code of Civil Procedure, Section 116.220, as given at https://casetext.com/statute/california-codes/california-code-of-civil-procedure/part-1-of-courts-of-justice/title-1-organization-and-jurisdiction/chapter-55-small-claims-court/article-2-small-claims-court/section-116220-effective-112024-jurisdiction and many other sites.

In particular, note this part:

(a) The small claims court has jurisdiction in the following actions:
...
(5) For an injunction or other equitable relief only when a statute expressly authorizes a small claims court to award that relief.

In general "small claims court" serves what it says it serves: Claims for small amounts of money. But there are exceptions, as given in Section 116.220.
TerriS6 (California)
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What Elle says about small claims court is total BS. He/she does not know what he/she is talking about. The CC&Rs can be enforced in small claims as long as the amount doesn't exceed the limits. Assessments, liens, open meeting laws, elections records, maintenance issues all can be decided in small claims court, along with obtaining injunctive, declaratory, and equitable relief. The judge in small claims can make any orders that he/she deems appropriate. Standing and jurisdiction were always the first two things I proved in small claims court. It was never challenged by the board's fully involved attorney and never appealed. It was always accepted by the judge - for many different issues.

For someone to discourage a member from using small claims court in HOA situations is a great disservice to the underdog homeowner and demonstrates a gross lack of knowledge about California proceedings. Of course law firm people always want members to stay away from small claims court because it cuts into their profits.
DeanJ
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 9:36 AM
There are good and bad directors. If you read here any length of time, you will see that boards who are justly criticized or who have their power threatened DO retaliate against innocent members.

Basically you get one side of the story here and listening to one side on an Internet forum is not a venue to determine credibility. People color the facts. This thread starts out I mistakenly missed 2 payments. Exactly how does one mistakenly miss 2 payments? How many other payments has he missed? We will never know the full truth, but that still doesn’t excuse the information being sent to the members and maybe the information was accidentally sent to the members.

ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 1:47 PM
Standing and jurisdiction were always the first two things I proved in small claims court.
As I indicated, a very few parts of the civil code permit owners and HOA boards to bring claims in small claims court.

I feel you do a great disservice as you continually insisting that owners can lawfully bring any HOA dispute to small claims court, as long as the dispute is below a certain dollar amount.

In those cases where the covenants say that owners must pay the HOA's legal costs of any lawsuit where the owners do not prevail, and small claims court does not in fact have jurisdiction, the risk of filing in small claims can be enormous.
ElleN (Idaho)
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For the California layperson, regarding disputes that do not involve money and how small claims court has jurisdiction over only certain types of HOA disputes:

Can You Sue an HOA for More Than Just Money in Small Claims? This is a tricky question. In California, you can sue in small claims to recover money. However, you may be able to sue for other forms of relief if there is a statute (a law) that authorizes the small claims court to award other types of relief. See California Code of Civil Procedure (CCP) sec. 116.220(a)(5).

This is important to note because, in California, there is an act called the Davis-Stirling Common Interest Development Act (“Davis-Stirling Act) that outlines the rights and responsibilities of HOAs, governing boards, and individual homeowners in these types of communities.

Under the Davis-Stirling Act, there are certain statutes (laws) that expressly authorize a small claims court to award other types of relief, not just money. For example, under CCP sec. 5235(a), a member of an HOA can bring a small claims lawsuit, to enforce that member’s right to inspect and copy the association records. Under this section, a member can also be awarded up to $500 for denial of each separate written records request.

-- https://www.peopleclerk.com/post/sue-hoa-california-small-claims

Although Small Claims Court is not a typical forum for most homeowner association disputes, it is available when specifically authorized by statute, such as Civil Code section 5658(a).
-- https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-associations-20151122-story.html

Small Claims Court. The legislature has given limited authority to small claims courts to grant injunctive relief when it comes to common interest developments. (Underlined emphasis added by me.)
-- https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/I/Injunctive-Relief

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By DeanJ on 01/03/2024 2:07 PM
Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 9:36 AM
There are good and bad directors. If you read here any length of time, you will see that boards who are justly criticized or who have their power threatened DO retaliate against innocent members.


Basically you get one side of the story here and listening to one side on an Internet forum is not a venue to determine credibility. People color the facts. This thread starts out I mistakenly missed 2 payments. Exactly how does one mistakenly miss 2 payments? How many other payments has he missed? We will never know the full truth, but that still doesn’t excuse the information being sent to the members and maybe the information was accidentally sent to the members.


You raise a good point. Quite often we are only hearing one side of a story.
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Posted By ElleN on 01/03/2024 2:27 PM
For the California layperson, regarding disputes that do not involve money and how small claims court has jurisdiction over only certain types of HOA disputes:

Can You Sue an HOA for More Than Just Money in Small Claims? This is a tricky question. In California, you can sue in small claims to recover money. However, you may be able to sue for other forms of relief if there is a statute (a law) that authorizes the small claims court to award other types of relief. See California Code of Civil Procedure (CCP) sec. 116.220(a)(5).

This is important to note because, in California, there is an act called the Davis-Stirling Common Interest Development Act (“Davis-Stirling Act) that outlines the rights and responsibilities of HOAs, governing boards, and individual homeowners in these types of communities.

Under the Davis-Stirling Act, there are certain statutes (laws) that expressly authorize a small claims court to award other types of relief, not just money. For example, under CCP sec. 5235(a), a member of an HOA can bring a small claims lawsuit, to enforce that member’s right to inspect and copy the association records. Under this section, a member can also be awarded up to $500 for denial of each separate written records request.

-- https://www.peopleclerk.com/post/sue-hoa-california-small-claims

Although Small Claims Court is not a typical forum for most homeowner association disputes, it is available when specifically authorized by statute, such as Civil Code section 5658(a).
-- https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-associations-20151122-story.html

Small Claims Court. The legislature has given limited authority to small claims courts to grant injunctive relief when it comes to common interest developments. (Underlined emphasis added by me.)
-- https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/I/Injunctive-Relief


Keep grasping at straws and try to belittle small claims court. You are obviously pro-board, right or wrong.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/03/2024 2:34 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 01/03/2024 2:07 PM
Posted By TerriS6 on 01/03/2024 9:36 AM
There are good and bad directors. If you read here any length of time, you will see that boards who are justly criticized or who have their power threatened DO retaliate against innocent members.


Basically you get one side of the story here and listening to one side on an Internet forum is not a venue to determine credibility. People color the facts. This thread starts out I mistakenly missed 2 payments. Exactly how does one mistakenly miss 2 payments? How many other payments has he missed? We will never know the full truth, but that still doesn’t excuse the information being sent to the members and maybe the information was accidentally sent to the members.



You raise a good point. Quite often we are only hearing one side of a story.

It's not your job to make a judgment about his honesty. He's asking for help.
KerryL1 (California)
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Your HOA's Board apparently has given the treasurer the authority to disclose delinquents' names to their friends and neighbors. If, so your board sounds like a nasty group. But what if the treasurer decided on his to disclose names without Board authorization?? What if, in fact, directors are horrified he took this step? One thing you could try, but it'd take courage, is this: When is the next open Board meeting? Attend and at the state-required open forum and say:

"Good evening, directors, I'm Gordo xxx and I missed two payments of my HOA dues. I'm happy to say I'm caught up now (IF true and with a big smile). I sure was embarrassed, though, that the treasurer sent my late payment issue to all of my friends and neighbor here. My question to the Board is: Did the Board vote to allow the treasurer to send this sensitivei information to owners? If yes, will a board member please explain why you think it's useful policy?"

I would NOT explain WHY you were late unless a VERY brief sentence that doesn't sound like whining.

If that approach doesn't appeal, you might write to the registered agent of your HOA--maybe a property manager or board officer, and request the following official record: The official ownership list contains all owners' names, addresses and email addresses. You'd then be able to send a friendly neighborly note to every owner or only those whom you k like to know that you're caught up, saying you're caught up, et., with, again, a very brief explanation. Finish with "Happy New Year!" If you're interested in this approach, visit Davis-stirling.com, Menu, Records Inspection, for the exact way to request the Owners list.

I wouldn't try any legal anything. If you check around this site you'll see endless debates between Elle & Terri-- it's their hobby. Legal activity of any kind is simply not worth your time, possible $$, and upsetting the board, whose response may be unfortunate for both you and the community in general.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By ElleN on 01/03/2024 2:27 PM
For the California layperson, regarding disputes that do not involve money and how small claims court has jurisdiction over only certain types of HOA disputes:

Can You Sue an HOA for More Than Just Money in Small Claims? This is a tricky question. In California, you can sue in small claims to recover money. However, you may be able to sue for other forms of relief if there is a statute (a law) that authorizes the small claims court to award other types of relief. See California Code of Civil Procedure (CCP) sec. 116.220(a)(5).

This is important to note because, in California, there is an act called the Davis-Stirling Common Interest Development Act (“Davis-Stirling Act) that outlines the rights and responsibilities of HOAs, governing boards, and individual homeowners in these types of communities.

Under the Davis-Stirling Act, there are certain statutes (laws) that expressly authorize a small claims court to award other types of relief, not just money. For example, under CCP sec. 5235(a), a member of an HOA can bring a small claims lawsuit, to enforce that member’s right to inspect and copy the association records. Under this section, a member can also be awarded up to $500 for denial of each separate written records request.

-- https://www.peopleclerk.com/post/sue-hoa-california-small-claims

Although Small Claims Court is not a typical forum for most homeowner association disputes, it is available when specifically authorized by statute, such as Civil Code section 5658(a).
-- https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-associations-20151122-story.html

Small Claims Court. The legislature has given limited authority to small claims courts to grant injunctive relief when it comes to common interest developments. (Underlined emphasis added by me.)
-- https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/I/Injunctive-Relief


Your comments are the results of a Google search. My comments are from personal experience.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 01/03/2024 2:49 PM
Your HOA's Board apparently has given the treasurer the authority to disclose delinquents' names to their friends and neighbors. If, so your board sounds like a nasty group. But what if the treasurer decided on his to disclose names without Board authorization?? What if, in fact, directors are horrified he took this step? One thing you could try, but it'd take courage, is this: When is the next open Board meeting? Attend and at the state-required open forum and say:

"Good evening, directors, I'm Gordo xxx and I missed two payments of my HOA dues. I'm happy to say I'm caught up now (IF true and with a big smile). I sure was embarrassed, though, that the treasurer sent my late payment issue to all of my friends and neighbor here. My question to the Board is: Did the Board vote to allow the treasurer to send this sensitivei information to owners? If yes, will a board member please explain why you think it's useful policy?"

I would NOT explain WHY you were late unless a VERY brief sentence that doesn't sound like whining.

If that approach doesn't appeal, you might write to the registered agent of your HOA--maybe a property manager or board officer, and request the following official record: The official ownership list contains all owners' names, addresses and email addresses. You'd then be able to send a friendly neighborly note to every owner or only those whom you k like to know that you're caught up, saying you're caught up, et., with, again, a very brief explanation. Finish with "Happy New Year!" If you're interested in this approach, visit Davis-stirling.com, Menu, Records Inspection, for the exact way to request the Owners list.

I wouldn't try any legal anything. If you check around this site you'll see endless debates between Elle & Terri-- it's their hobby. Legal activity of any kind is simply not worth your time, possible $$, and upsetting the board, whose response may be unfortunate for both you and the community in general.


It's not a hobby. Not nice.
DeanJ
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All we can do is offer advice. My advice is pay his fees on time and this will minimize the risk of this occurring. - purposefully or accidentally.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By AidylP1 on 01/03/2024 3:35 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 01/03/2024 3:00 PM
Missed it.

Terri mentioned: California Code, Civil Code - CIV § 5230 from find law


How would that section apply here?

Terri would know better than I. I just provided a link.
However, the info in the link said:

2) A member may bring an action against an association that violates this subdivision for injunctive relief and actual damages caused by the violation. A member shall be entitled to recover reasonable costs and expenses, including reasonable attorney's fees, in a successful action to enforce the member's rights under this subdivision.
AidylP1 (California)
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So the question would be, where was the violation? Granted, it's not something I would encourage.

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