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NimbyS (Arizona)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Can HOAs install solar PV canopies over private streets? There are some very nice canopy designs that would provide shade, EV charging, and possibly enough power to offset the neighborhood.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
You will have to check with the local statutes, etc.

Normally, the HOA has full control over common area and common elements. Therefore, as long as the support brackets, etc. are all on common area and applicable statutes, codes, etc. allow it I don't see an issue.

That said, some might have an issue with the aesthetics of such a thing.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I will add that the costs may outweigh the benefits.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If majority of owners are willing to vote to pay and maintain them go for it. May have to add to capital expenses. Plus include in the CC-Rs... Every member will have to contribute to pay for it. Insurance and maintenance expenses factored into dues increase.

I am sure if you follow the rules on how to do this and everyone pays for it. Your HOA can do it.

Former HOA President
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
If majority of owners are willing to vote to pay and maintain them go for it. May have to add to capital expenses. Plus include in the CC-Rs... Every member will have to contribute to pay for it. Insurance and maintenance expenses factored into dues increase.

I am sure if you follow the rules on how to do this and everyone pays for it. Your HOA can do it.

Former HOA President
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I do not think Arizona is at the point yet where the board could make a decision on this without a vote of the owners. The owners' vote would be to amend the declaration and/or plats appropriately.

If the owners vote to add this infrastructure, then the reserve study would have to be adjusted. Not a big deal. Just saying.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Sounds fascinating. I, too, see no reason why an HOA could not install these. I'm guessing the cost would be such that even if not required, the Assoc. would want a vote of the members. The canopy & its parts, obviously, would go in the reserve study.

I see no reason why the CC&Rs would need to be amended. They, along with the Article of Incorporation, generally say something like the HOA's job is to protect, maintain and enhance the common areas. This technology-- if the ROI isn't a zillion years--could easily qualify as a project that meets those goals.

I also think that by now--2024--the stale arguments about "appearance" of such energy-savers have declined greatly in much of the USA. sSnce Some CC&Rs state that one purpose of the HOA is to maintain or improve market values, such an enhancement would be a welcome sight to potential buyers.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
The HOA adding the service of EV charging stations has my attention in particular. Owners did not sign up to pay for and provide this service.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
In my HOA documents, the board can spend less than $100,000 on material alterations to the common areas without a vote of the membership. That's not cumulative, that's per project. Maintenance, like roads, landscaping, painting, etc. do not require a vote. So we could authorize solar canopies if we wanted to. However, the math generally doesn't add up for solar even in Florida with lots of sunshine. The payback cost is too long to make it worthwhile.

However, we are looking a geothermal pool heaters, since the payback is pretty quick and we do heat the pools year round.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
In my HOA documents, the board can spend less than $100,000 on material alterations to the common areas without a vote of the membership. That's not cumulative, that's per project. Maintenance, like roads, landscaping, painting, etc. do not require a vote. So we could authorize solar canopies if we wanted to. However, the math generally doesn't add up for solar even in Florida with lots of sunshine. The payback cost is too long to make it worthwhile.

However, we are looking a geothermal pool heaters, since the payback is pretty quick and we do heat the pools year round.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You say "over" private streets? Will there be enough height clearance for commercial motor vehicles
like trash trucks, semis, UPS, FedEx, etc? Are you in a comdo? Do you mean PV panels will be installed
on top of the parking canopies?
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NimbyS on 12/31/2023 8:35 PM
Can HOAs install solar PV canopies over private streets? There are some very nice canopy designs that would provide shade, EV charging, and possibly enough power to offset the neighborhood.

Do you have a picture of what you’re talking about? I’ve seen solar covers over parking lots, but not streets. I’m curious what you’re talking about.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Where in typical governing documents, Elle, is it stated that associations, via their Boards of directors, must keep and maintain solely existing common area components and amenities without amending the CC&Rs?

Please supply the sample statutes or quotation from reliable sources supporting wording for this opinion of yours that you've asserted many, many times.

DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
The concept of charging your car at home is outdated. Solar produces the most when people are at work during the day and peak consumption is early evening. This poses a storage gap problem. Today’s EVs have enough charge to run a typical home for 2 days. Driving your battery enhanced car to work, charging it cheap solar electricity and powering your home later is probably where the science is headed.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Quote:
Posted By DeanJ on 01/01/2024 4:57 PM
The concept of charging your car at home is outdated. Solar produces the most when people are at work during the day and peak consumption is early evening. This poses a storage gap problem. Today’s EVs have enough charge to run a typical home for 2 days. Driving your battery enhanced car to work, charging it cheap solar electricity and powering your home later is probably where the science is headed.

Some might argue that driving to work everyday is outdated.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidG45 on 01/01/2024 5:02 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 01/01/2024 4:57 PM
The concept of charging your car at home is outdated. Solar produces the most when people are at work during the day and peak consumption is early evening. This poses a storage gap problem. Today’s EVs have enough charge to run a typical home for 2 days. Driving your battery enhanced car to work, charging it cheap solar electricity and powering your home later is probably where the science is headed.


Some might argue that driving to work everyday is outdated.

Maybe, but the majority still have too.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidG45 on 01/01/2024 5:02 PM
Posted By DeanJ on 01/01/2024 4:57 PM
The concept of charging your car at home is outdated. Solar produces the most when people are at work during the day and peak consumption is early evening. This poses a storage gap problem. Today’s EVs have enough charge to run a typical home for 2 days. Driving your battery enhanced car to work, charging it cheap solar electricity and powering your home later is probably where the science is headed.


Some might argue that driving to work everyday is outdated.

Maybe, but the majority still have too.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 01/01/2024 3:55 PM
Where in typical governing documents, Elle, is it stated that associations, via their Boards of directors, must keep and maintain solely existing common area components and amenities without amending the CC&Rs?
This is not what I posted. Nor have I repeatedly said any such thing. If you feel otherwise, then please cite three threads where according to you, I said this. Since you say I have said this many, many times, doing so should be easy.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our twin towers' rooftops have too much equipment on them, including window washing hoists, to install enough solar panels. But, a new residential tower in my urban neighborhood has installed a solar canopy above all of the rooftop equipment. I've only seen it from a distance and from an odd angle, but I'm impressed!
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Instead, Elle, explain to readers what you mean by this statement. if I might misunderstand it, perhaps others do too:

Elle wrote: "The HOA adding the service of EV charging stations has my attention in particular. Owners did not sign up to pay for and provide this service." What about this natures your attention?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 01/01/2024 6:33 PM
Instead, Elle, explain to readers what you mean by this statement.
Please list all readers that do not understand what I posted.

If the only person that you are sure does not understand is you, please say so.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I, of course, am not sure; you may have missed my "perhaps."

Please explain what you are trying to say in your statement. Why does the potential addition of EV charging stations capture your attention? If you refuse, elle, perhaps another poster or more will kindly help me out and translate your statement. If no one offers clarity, I can only assume that no one else grasps your meaning.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KerryL1 on 01/01/2024 7:27 PM
I, of course, am not sure; you may have missed my "perhaps."

Please explain what you are trying to say in your statement. Why does the potential addition of EV charging stations capture your attention? If you refuse, elle, perhaps another poster or more will kindly help me out and translate your statement. If no one offers clarity, I can only assume that no one else grasps your meaning.
There you go again, pretending you speak for others.

You do not.

Please re-phrase your query so that it indicates you would like to know why the HOA adding the service of EV charging stations has my attention in particular.

If you are not capable of a mature, respectful query, then you will just have to wait and see if someone else asks.
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
those solar parking lot covers are typically extremely expensive and do not have an economically fast payback due to the overengieering. Most use just a few support posts with huge out stretched panels requiring tremendous couter balacing. they could be a ton cheaper with 4x the ground supports, but not look as good.
AZ has the most sun in the USA, but even then I doubt this will be a good invvestment of HOA funds. but better that then other stupid shi* HOA's spend cash on I guess.

vis ta vie
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You're so precious, elle, when you mimic Ronald Reagan. I see no example where I am "speaking for others."

You wrote that the CC&Rs would hav to be amended if an or this HOA added solar capability to the HOA. Why?

Wendy's last post isn't about Elle's remark.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Kerry, if you cannot be polite; if you cannot own the incredible rudeness of speaking for others; then you will have to wait until and if someone else asks me to elaborate.

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