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MikeM52 (Michigan)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our HOA has an operating acct. and a reserve acct.. every item in our HOA is covered with dues on both sides. If you go out 5 years we are 100% covered. Because we have a large amount of streets our dues are under funded.we have 2 income streams, a charge on resale of homes and income from investment of the reserve. I want to put the 2 incomes into a contingency account to pay for underfunded accounts annually. And also use this account to build funds for paying for the purchase of a storage building. Our financial committee disagrees.they want to direct those funds directly into the reserve to subsidize it for the streets.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Your HOA should be funded by dues as it's income. Anything else can be subject to taxes. Your HOA is typically a non-profit corporation but NOT a charitable one. You are to collect as much as you spend plus have a reserve fund if needed for capital items. Investing long term works for long term capital reserve accounts but still can be taxable.

Get out of the mindset this is like your personal budget. It's a corporation that isn't for profit. Just to cover it's expenses without having to raise dues or have special assessments to cover expenses.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By MikeM52 on 12/28/2023 10:33 PM
Our HOA has an operating acct. and a reserve acct.. every item in our HOA is covered with dues on both sides. If you go out 5 years we are 100% covered. Because we have a large amount of streets our dues are under funded.we have 2 income streams, a charge on resale of homes and income from investment of the reserve. I want to put the 2 incomes into a contingency account to pay for underfunded accounts annually. And also use this account to build funds for paying for the purchase of a storage building. Our financial committee disagrees.they want to direct those funds directly into the reserve to subsidize it for the streets.

Based on this snapshot:

* The income from the reserve accounts was probably calculated to be part of the reserves and thus already earmarked for future spending. Read your latest reserve study to see how this income was handled.

* Streets are a major expense, and the winters around here beat them to pulp. The increase in extreme weather events has accelerated aging of HOA assets around the country. You say that you're already underfunded.

* If the storage building isn't listed as an HOA asset, your CC&Rs will need to be amended to include this and will require an affirmative vote from the membership. You'll need to have the association attorney write the amendment. Amendments often require approval of a super-majority of owners (67% - 75%). Check your CC&Rs to see what your community requires.

* You didn't ask about this, but insurance premiums are spiking everywhere. We've heard reports of doubling premiums and even one eye-watering 700% increase. You need to have insurance.

In short, your HOA has been living beyond its means and needs to address this. I agree with the finance committee.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mike

Adding a storage building might well be considered a Capital Improvement and may require owner approval.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Adding storage building on common area is not simple or straightforward. There is insurance, maintenance, and security issues. Plus just added an expense to the budget.

I would recommend a special assessment process to pay for the shed if necessary. Otherwise have to agree with finance committee.

Former HOA President
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
I agree with your financial committee. There is no need for another fund and it’s difficult to promote a capital improvement ( which will also add to reserve liability) when reserves are underfunded.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you on the Board, Mike? Has the Board even voted to purchase a storage building? How much would it cost?

I mainly agree with Cathy, except: while you may need an owners vote to improve your common areas with a storage building--depending on its cost and the board's powers, there is no need to amend your CC&Rs. The basic purpose of the HOA/board is to protect, maintain & enhance the common Areas. I can see why is storage building would be needed to accomplish all three of those obligations.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By MikeM52 on 12/28/2023 10:33 PM
Our HOA has an operating acct. and a reserve acct.. every item in our HOA is covered with dues on both sides. If you go out 5 years we are 100% covered.
What does this mean? What is covered?
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Posted By MikeM52 on 12/28/2023 10:33 PM
we have 2 income streams, a charge on resale of homes and income from investment of the reserve.
You mean these are "gravy income, that is subject to vary quite a lot."
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Posted By MikeM52 on 12/28/2023 10:33 PM
I want to put the 2 incomes into a contingency account to pay for underfunded accounts annually. And also use this account to build funds for paying for the purchase of a storage building. Our financial committee disagrees.they want to direct those funds directly into the reserve to subsidize it for the streets.
I agree with CathyA3's response here:
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Posted By CathyA3
* The income from the reserve accounts was probably calculated to be part of the reserves and thus already earmarked for future spending. Read your latest reserve study to see how this income was handled.
This is a budget question. The board gets the final say on the budget. Are you on the board? Are you on the finance committee?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Mike,

My last association had contingency funds.

The operating contingency was the buffer in the checking account that would equal x months of normal bills (for us it was three).
So at the end of the year, we would transfer excess funds to the reserves.
Excess defined as: operating contingency less total of delinquencies plus advance payments.

In the Reserves, we identified a contingency line item. The max amount determined by the board.
A resolution stated all interest earned and excess operational funds went to the contingency line item (in addition to an amount each year set by the board).

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