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TomK18 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Our condo master policy jumped over 500 % for 2024. These are at unbelievable rates that other condo associations are experiencing as well.I have found that Florida condo associations can SELF insure according to the Florida Statutes.

Are there any florida condo associations now considering self insuring?.

So far our association has not yet considered self insurance. In my mind, even our own reserves could already be considered self insurance.

In essence, we could just take the high premiums we were quoted to pay the insurance company and put them into a special reserve called self insurance. It just makes economic sense. Our situation may be different from many others, as we have never had any major claims and very few minor claims over the past forty years.

My view is that we do pay the increased amount, but pay it our own account rather than pay it to the insurance company. In just a few more years we will have millions in the account.

NA1 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 190
Posted:
When you say condo, I'm assuming building with multiple units, not an HOA with individual houses - unit owner insurance is typically walls-in, with the building being separately insured by the HOA.

What's the cost to rebuild from the ground? What happens if you haven't built up a reserve that covers it, and the building is destroyed? Rebuilding our building is well into six digits/unit, courtesy of a construction industry that's highly in demand - interest rates haven't made much of a dent here, and builders can also make a ton just building their own stuff for sale or rent.

Can all the owners afford the loss out-of-pocket?

What if there's a slip and fall or a murder lawsuit and you have to lawyer up?

Also, will any of the owners ever want to sell their units? Even in the unlikely event a prospect were willing to buy an uninsured unit, lenders won't lend to purchase in a building without insurance.

Will any of the board members be willing to serve without D&O covering them?

Florida has requirements for self-insurance. What is the cost of meeting them? (I know nothing about Florida law, I got this from looking on the Florida senate site https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/718.111 Section 11 (a) 1.)

I think it's a pretty silly thing to do. But I suggest you start by talking with your co-owners and a competent attorney.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Self insurance can save money in the long run.

Self insurance can bankrupt an Association if the funds aren't there when needed.

See:

FAQ - The Pros and Cons of HOA Self-Insurance from HOA Leader (re-posted by MC)

Is Self-Insurance Right for Your Association? article by attorneys (scroll past the ad)

Self-Insurance: What it is, How it Works, Example from investopia

What Does It Mean to Self-Insure? based on a family self-insuring but most can translate over for a condo or HOA.
TomK18 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Correct. We are a multiple unit condo association located far inland away from flood and wind damage that other condos are facing.

Looking back over 40 or so years, our insurance claims are almost non-existent. It seems to me it just makes common sense to look at our own risk exposure and insure ourselves by taking those 500% increased payments and putting them into our own association account
TomK18 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Correct. We are a multiple unit condo association located far inland away from flood and wind damage that other condos are facing.

Looking back over 40 or so years, our insurance claims are almost non-existent. It seems to me it just makes common sense to look at our own risk exposure and insure ourselves by taking those 500% increased payments and putting them into our own association account
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I agree with all of NA1's comments. A few things about the reality of the situation, from where I am sitting:
Quote:
Posted By NA1 on 12/24/2023 6:21 AM

Florida has requirements for self-insurance. What is the cost of meeting them? (I know nothing about Florida law, I got this from looking on the Florida senate site https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2012/718.111 Section 11 (a) 1.)
I checked this at http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=display_statute&URL=0700-0799/0718/0718.html . Notably, this is going to supercede any requirement in the covenants to purchase insurance. The OP should thoroughly study what this statute section says and proceed to do more research from this.

-- Like NA1 posted, I too would put a lot of focus on whether unit owners' lenders would okay this. I think self-insurance meeting statutory requirements would in fact meet a requirement for insurance, but I would want to investigate further.

-- Viewing current reserves as a "self-insurance fund" likely violates fiduciary duty and state law. Study carefully FS 718, reserve sections.

-- Triple digit percentage increase in insurance premiums have come up a lot here in the last 18 months or so, especially in Florida, Texas or California.

-- Let's be real clear about why the legislature added this option (in the 1990s?): To keep the Florida economy from tanking. Their motivation was far from pure.

-- Like NA1 suggests, I too think "self-insurance" is oxymoronic. I would vote accordingly as a director.

-- If I were on a Florida HOA Board, and so tasked with either buying insurance or self-insuring, I would do all I could to buy insurance. If it means massive assessment increases, then do it. I feel fiduciary duty demands it.

-- If the deductible of purchased insurance is high, incorporate a line item in the reserve study for the deductible. This too is getting a lot of discussion here and in the media.

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