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JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
I've been dealing with harrassment from the board president for a few years. The latest is over a tree.

The association replaced a retaining wall between my condo unit and my neighbor's. It resulted in all the landscaping being removed. After the wall was finished, I sent an email to the board asking when new landscaping would be replaced. They responded that it was the condo owners responsibility, not the association so we could do whatever we wanted. I responded back that the bylaws state otherwise and it's the association's responsibility. They said they would provide mulch, but nothing else. After spending considerable money and time, we completed the area with landscaping plants that match plantings throughoutthe community. The board president then had a letter sent to us that they wanted all tags from the plantings so they could review and approve. I responded back that we no longer had the tags, but provided the names of the plants. I also stated that they can't be Monday morning quarterbacks since they already stated we could do what we wanted. The president became fixated on an ornamental tree that we planted and stated it needed to be 6 ft from the foundation. We responded that it was, so we were compliant. They then said they didn't like that type of tree (even though there are tons of these trees throughout the condo complex) and it would need to be removed. I requested a copy of the landscape guidelines however there aren't any. Two months go by and they sent a letter this week stating they wanted the tree tag for review. If we couldn't provide one, then the tree needs to be removed. The tree in question has a trunk the size of my finger. Yes, I could remove it but I would be out that $$. It's ridiculous.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It looks like you've read documents, which is a good start (sadly, some board members don't and get everything wrong). Would the store you purchased the tree from have a copy of the tree tag? If so, get a copy and send that.

Your letter should also include a recap of your conversations, emails, phone calls, etc., with dates, showing you did what you did because THEY instructed you, therefore if they want the tree gone, they should remove and replace it at their expense. Ask them to give you specific guidelines that were given to all residents

Then see what happens. You didn't say if this letter was signed on behalf of the board or only had the president's signature- if it's the latter,, send this to all the board members. Keep a copy in case you need to refer this to your attorney. File an appeal in case you get a formal violation notice, and if that doesn't work, turn this over to your attorney. If they due, you could countersunk and ask your legal expenses and attorney's fees be reimbursed to you if you win.

The president may be in his feelings about you, but the rest of the board can bring him to heel if they have the guts. Good luck.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The President represents the HOA board/HOA. I would not put the blame on the "messenger". Just because plantings/trees already exist doesn't mean they should. Example: The builders installed Bradford Pear trees throughout the neighborhood. Very pretty tree. However, they are terrible in a windstorm. Many of them outgrew their lot/house. Had one that was twice as high as the house. The people living in it were scared when it stormed. They did lots of damage once they got older.

We had to spend over 2K in removing/trimming trees the developer had planted over 25 years ago. After that we did the research on trees. The city had a guide we used that let us know what type of tree is best to plant in a small area. (Weeping willows BAD). We then followed that guide when it came time for people to replace their trees. They did not necessarily get to plant what was already existing. That way we could phase out the "bad" plants.

You did not mention the plants or trees you planted in replacement. Plus I don't think the HOA was necessarily responsible for replacing the landscaping. If it was on common area it is their decision to decide what goes back in it. You may have exclusive use but not full "ownership" if common. That means ALL members.

What you call harrassment is not what may be legally called that. Giving you notice is not harrassment. Harrassment is a personal thing. This would be a personal issue but it doesn't read as such.

Former HOA President
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
I think all you can do is continue responding with the facts. If the HOA starts fining you all, post back.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
I appreciate the advice. I have been diligent about documenting all conversations and timelines. I've learned long ago to put everything in writing, so that helps tremendously. They haven't produced any landscape guidelines because none exist. I have reached out to a couple other board members regarding this issue, as well as the many others. They have promised to investigate and readily agree that there is an issue with the board president targeting a select few residents within the condo complex. Their term is up in less than a year, so I'm hopeful that they won't be elected.
JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
I understand that the president represents the HOA, however, this president tends to go rogue on many issues instead of consulting with the entire board. There are board members that readily see the selective enforcement as well as the targeting of certain residents within the community. The president's harassing behavior goes well outside of the realm of enforcement of bylaws, since there are many instances. They've already had to issue a public apology to a resident for libel and slander. They are working to curb the president's bias, but they admit that it's a difficult battle since the president uses the property management company and association's attorney at their disposal. The area at issue is common grounds, but is outside the entrance of two condo units and also down the length of both units. The boards statement to place only woodchips and not pay for the expense of any shrubs or ornamental trees would definitely devalue the units.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By JenniferD8 on 12/18/2023 3:53 PM
I understand that the president represents the HOA, however, this president tends to go rogue on many issues instead of consulting with the entire board. There are board members that readily see the selective enforcement as well as the targeting of certain residents within the community. The president's harassing behavior goes well outside of the realm of enforcement of bylaws, since there are many instances. They've already had to issue a public apology to a resident for libel and slander. They are working to curb the president's bias, but they admit that it's a difficult battle since the president uses the property management company and association's attorney at their disposal.
Brutal truth: Any director claiming 'it's a difficult battle because the President has the MC and HOA attorney at his disposal' is clueless. One of the following is occurring

-- The directors are ignorant of the fact that they can replace the president with someone else almost anytime they want. If the President is also a director, he stays on the board, but he has a lot less opportunity to abuse power.

-- None of the other directors want to be president, so the jerk remains.

-- The other directors actually like what the president is doing.

-- Some combination of the above.

You are correct that by law, the board (and not the president by himself) makes decisions.

JenniferD8 (Michigan)
Posts: 141
Posted:
I think there's an intimidation factor at play. The president is a class A bully with the board and residents. The 2 board members that I reached out to are new (only 2 months under their belts). I have high hopes that they will upright the ship.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
How many directors are there? How many should there be per your Bylaws? How many we pts will be open in the upcoming elctio less than a year away.

The board president has no authority to demand that owners do anything. Only the Board makes decisions at meetings* and those decisions are recorded in the meeting minutes. sometimes lazy, stupid Board do vote to give the president the authority to do certain things, but that is huge mistake. So maybe in some meeting minutes your Board voted to give the prez the authority to order owners around on his own???

In addition, don't your documents or MI code law state that owners must be called to hearings before they can be disciplined.

Have your read the contract with the MC? If not request a copy in writing. In it, I think you'll see that while the prez MAY have some access to the MC, the Board makes decisions and instructs the Manager. Is the latter on the premises? Or off? advise th other directors get copies of the contact with the management AND with the HOA attorney, who SHOULD be directed by the Board not the prez.

Find out the answers to the above questions and give them to the board members who seem reasonable

* I don't think Melissa meant th prez runs the HOA, i.e., governs.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The BOD elects its own Officers from among themselves. All it takes is one BOD Member to call for an Officer election then a second and then a discussion followed by a vote among the BOD Members alone.

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