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NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
We are a HOA located in St Cloud Florida. Due to the resignation of three members of our board as of 8/31/23(president,secretary and communications director) these three positions had to be filled by appointment of the sitting board. An emergency meeting was called on 8/28/23 to fill the positions.
There were two members who presented written requests for President, two members for vice president and one for community Outreach (VP position and community outreach were vacant already)and one for secretary. with 5 board members present, two voted for one President, two for the other and one for a write in. This resulted in a tie for President. The other positions were filled without any issues. Our problem is this….one of the two presidential candidates dropped out ending the tie. The other candidate immediately took office. Facts are he took office on two votes which was not a quorum of the board voting on 8/28/23. This was not an election of the members but an appointment. Is his appointment legal by Florida law. If not, would you state the section of the statute that covers this. There is nothing in our bylaws that deals with this issue. Thank you for any input you can give me.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Corporate statutes would apply here.

The specific statute would be: 617.0809 Board vacancy.

Per that statute:

Except as provided in s. 617.0808(1)(f), any vacancy occurring on the board of directors may be filled by the affirmative vote of the majority of the remaining directors, even though the remaining directors constitute less than a quorum, . . .
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
-- https://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/354806/view/topic/Default.aspx

-- I suspect the OP may still be confused about the meanings of "officers," "directors" and "board members." NormaB3, respectfully the path to clarity is by asking questions.

-- NormaB3, I advise that you post the bylaws here, so people can help straighten out your understanding of officers, directors and quorum.

-- The purpose of quorum is to ensure that a certain, specified minimum number of directors are present for conducting business. Do consider looking up the meaning of "quorum."

-- With five of seven directors present, I assume quorum was met, so the board may lawfully conduct a meeting. During this meeting, the board is allowed to have votes on board business, such as selecting officers.

-- With quorum met, a vote on officers could lawfully be conducted.

-- Florida statutes FS 617 and FS 720 do not specify whether appointment to an office (Pres, VP, Sec, Treasurer etc.) requires a majority vote or a plurality vote. In my opinion whether a majority of the remaining directors present must vote for an officer, or whether a plurality is sufficient, is a board decision. It

-- One huge caveat: FS 617.0808 says either an officer or director that was appointed can be removed by a majority vote of the board. Hence if only a plurality voted for the candidate who wanted to be president, and the majority did not want this person as president, then the majority could lawfully refuse to seat the candidate as president. An impasse is possible. The board needs to break this impasse and work towards consensus or a compromise.

-- -- Otherwise I wish all readers the best with the math here.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ElleN on 12/15/2023 6:20 PM

-- Florida statutes FS 617 and FS 720 do not specify whether appointment to an office (Pres, VP, Sec, Treasurer etc.) requires a majority vote or a plurality vote.
Wrong; bad on me. Thanks to TimB4's post, I see now that 617.0824 says:

If a quorum is present when a vote is taken, the affirmative vote of a majority of directors present is the act of the board of directors unless the articles of incorporation or the bylaws require the vote of a greater number of directors.

Also, directors should be appointed to fill any vacant director (not officer) slot. Then all directors (including those newly appointed) should vote on the officers.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think I recall Norma's in a mobile home park. do the cited statutes apply?
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Thank you all for your input. We were looking for a legal way to remove him from office. There is a petition being drawn up to recall him. There are several articles in our bylaws he has not adhered to. He has only served 3 months and many of the members are upset with his actions. Most of all, he has refused to acknowledge written requests from members to speak at the meetings on several occasions. He has also had board meetings without notification to members and not including all board members to that meeting. As you may see, we have several issues. I might add, three of the new appointees have resigned within three months of being appointed, which leaves only 4 members out of seven. Any thoughts regarding recalling an officer would be greatly appreciated. Yes we are a mobile home park. Thank you all for your help.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The board appointed the individual as President, the board can remove the individual as President.

If the board appointed the individual as a Director, the board can remove the individual as a Director.

Keep in mind that Directors and Officers are two different positions.
Directors, by majority vote, makes the decisions for the Association.
Officers implement those decisions and carry out the day to day tasks of the association.

Directors often appoint officer positions from amongst themselves.
When this happens, that individual has two jobs.

Officers serve at the pleasure of the Board.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Norma
Typically, there are exceptions, BOD Members are elected to the BOD by the owners. The BOD then meets and elects its own Officers. Rarely, but can happen, do owners get to vote people to specific BOD positions. All BOD Members are Directors but not all BOD Members are Officers.

Typical 7 person BOD:
Ken Smith, Director/Officer, President.
Sue White, Director/Officer, Vice President.
Mary James, Director/Officer, Treasurer.
Ed Rose, Director/Officer, Secretary.
Judy Jones, Director.
Harry Perez, Director.
Linda Cox, Director.

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