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AnneG5 (Florida)
Posts: 11
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Hello. We are a FL HOA. Is an attorney issued Cease & Desist letter to a homeowner (1) considered attorney-client privilege between the Board & Attorney? (2) Private/personal/confidential homeowner information? In either circumstance,is it allowable for the Board to divulge that information at a regular Bd meeting to the membership w/o the homeowner's consent and without reason to do so?
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By AnneG5 on 12/15/2023 11:19 AM
Hello. We are a FL HOA. Is an attorney issued Cease & Desist letter to a homeowner (1) considered attorney-client privilege between the Board & Attorney? (2) Private/personal/confidential homeowner information? In either circumstance,is it allowable for the Board to divulge that information at a regular Bd meeting to the membership w/o the homeowner's consent and without reason to do so?

Attorney client privilege is waived when the client divulges the information to a third party. The privilege was waived when the letter was sent to you at the instruction of the client.
The board is not supposed to identify members who are the subject of disciplinary actions.
Here it is illegal for the board to disclose to a third party, a member's name, property address, phone number, email address. Discipline matters are handled privately in executive session.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Anne,

I am not an attorney nor (if you remember the old tv commercial) did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

My understanding is that attorney-client privilege would be about the information shared between the Board and the attorney for the attorney to write the letter to you. The letter itself would not be considered part of that privilege.

Should the Board have released the information about the letter being sent? I don't think so.
Was it a violation of law? I don't think so.
It was simply poor ethics (in my opinion) on part of the Board.

Here is more info on attorney client privilege:

attorney-client privilege from a Cornell Law School based legal institute
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I wouldn't say "The association is suing the Joneses because they refuse to comply with the CCRs". When I was on the board, the most we'd say would be "The board is discussing possible litigation involving compliance with the CCRs" and leave it at that. Civil and criminal cases are public records, so if someone wants to know who's suing whom, they can go to the court clerk's office and look it up. If the lawsuit has already been filed, anyone would be able to see that X HOA is suing Mr. and Mrs. Jones.

Disclosure of personal information is another matter, and that's getting more dicey because there's a lot of stuff on the internet about nearly everyone (they say you should Google yourself to see what comes up - and how much of it is accurate). If this has been an ongoing dispute between the association and this homeowner, there's a chance everyone already knows who it is, so has one's privacy been violated in that case? If stuff like one's SSN or medical history is disclosed, probably. If an email or phone number were disclosed and now the Joneses are being hit with dozens of crazy people making phone calls at all hours or sending nasty emails, that would be a problem.

If you're the homeowner in this situation, you may want to take all this to your attorney and let him or her handle it. The association may have sent you a cease and desist letter, but you may be able to hit back with a lawsuit of your own about this, along with the issue that prompted the letter in the first place.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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I think it should also be noted that with the expectation that the Association received a copy of the cease & desist letter, said letter would be considered a record of the Association. Statutes provide how members can have access to records of the Association and what records they would have access to.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By KelleyS1 on 12/15/2023 10:56 AM
Is an attorney issued Cease & Desist letter to a homeowner (1) considered attorney-client privilege between the Board & Attorney?
As others pointed out, the letter is not a-c privileged.

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Posted By KelleyS1 on 12/15/2023 10:56 AM
​(2) Private/personal/confidential homeowner information? In either circumstance,is it allowable for the Board to divulge that information at a regular Bd meeting to the membership w/o the homeowner's consent and without reason to do so?
It probably depends. In general, I would advise the board not to do so. There are too many ways the owner could sue.

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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/15/2023 11:26 AM

​The board is not supposed to identify members who are the subject of disciplinary actions.
In Florida, false. By statute, violations proceedings are open to all owners, unless there are some truly extenuating legal-related circumstances.
AnneG5 (Florida)
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Thank you to all who replied. I was trying to be brief in my question. The letter did come to me - not my husband - as well as being the only homeowner in the Community they are targeting. I did not violate any R&R, Bylaws, or Covenants. The letter came unexpectedly. No "Request for Information" policy was in effect. I asked for copies of contracts and a couple of other routine questions as well as reported water intrusion in our unit. They are now holding this letter against my husband and he has nothing to do with it. Any follow-up thoughts on this will be much appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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The board should address the issue to the those identified in on the deed.
Some deeds only show one person and not the spouse.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AnneG5 on 12/16/2023 11:18 AM
Thank you to all who replied. I was trying to be brief in my question. The letter did come to me - not my husband - as well as being the only homeowner in the Community they are targeting. I did not violate any R&R, Bylaws, or Covenants. The letter came unexpectedly. No "Request for Information" policy was in effect. I asked for copies of contracts and a couple of other routine questions as well as reported water intrusion in our unit.
From what exactly does the letter order you to cease and desist?
AnneG5 (Florida)
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It prohibits me permanently and forever from contacting anyone on the entire management team in any way except by certified mail return receipt requested. It's completely ridiculous. Again, it is written specifically to me. Not my husband. However, they now are refusing to speak with him stating he has a C&D against him but he does not. Very vindictive Bd President and CAM spearheading this.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
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If the HOA is suing the Jones, it is public record once the suit has been filed. That doesn’t mean it would be wise for a board member to discuss details of the case.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By AnneG5 on 12/16/2023 12:34 PM
It prohibits me permanently and forever from contacting anyone on the entire management team in any way except by certified mail return receipt requested.
Respectfully, normally it takes a lot for a HOA to write a C&D letter like the one you described. E.g. the owner is quite abusive in her/his communications. Or so many requests have been made that the HOA board thinks the owner is unreasonable.

I would want to hear the HOA's side.
TerriS6 (California)
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Posted By AnneG5 on 12/16/2023 12:34 PM
It prohibits me permanently and forever from contacting anyone on the entire management team in any way except by certified mail return receipt requested. It's completely ridiculous. Again, it is written specifically to me. Not my husband. However, they now are refusing to speak with him stating he has a C&D against him but he does not. Very vindictive Bd President and CAM spearheading this.

Don’t your policies establish lines of communication? For example, how to request records, questions about billing, reporting things needing repair? Are there actually rules about punishment for using the wrong line of communication? Do any of your policies instruct you to contact management for certain issues?
AnneG5 (Florida)
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I am not an abusive person in any way. So, no. Nothing abusive or threatening. Over a period of about 6 months, we are talking about 11 emails 3 of those were emails regarding exterior issues with our unit. Other email was requesting copies of contracts having no attorney/client privilege;
a couple requested updates on information I shared and provided to the Bd from my time
on the Board; and one asked about notice provided for the annual meeting for which proper notice was not given in accordance with our Bylaws.

What I'm mostly wondering is the fact that they are refusing to speak with my husband who is not a part of the C&D. I don't think they can do that.

AnneG5 (Florida)
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There was no Records Request Policy in place. Rules say to contact our CAM for questions. Other than that, nothing was in place.
AnneG5 (Florida)
Posts: 11
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There was no Records Request Policy in place. Rules say to contact our CAM for questions. Other than that, nothing was in place.
AnneG5 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
There was no Records Request Policy in place. Rules say to contact our CAM for questions. Other than that, nothing was in place.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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No cease and desist letter can deprive you of any of your rights as a member.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By AnneG5 on 12/17/2023 4:13 PM
I am not an abusive person in any way. So, no. Nothing abusive or threatening. Over a period of about 6 months, we are talking about 11 emails 3 of those were emails regarding exterior issues with our unit. Other email was requesting copies of contracts having no attorney/client privilege;
a couple requested updates on information I shared and provided to the Bd from my time
on the Board; and one asked about notice provided for the annual meeting for which proper notice was not given in accordance with our Bylaws.

What I'm mostly wondering is the fact that they are refusing to speak with my husband who is not a part of the C&D. I don't think they can do that.
I urge operating in the hard cold reality of the situation. I think the questions are (1) whether what the HOA is doing to you and your spouse breaks the law; and (2) how much time and money are you willing to give to find out.

Often the enemy is not the HOA per se, but the grueling process of getting cooperation from a board.

For records requests, Florida Statutes Chapter 720.303 (5) gives owners a pretty decent remedy for denied records. Have you read this statute section? See http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=display_statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html

Alternatively in my experience the best HOA attorneys advise that the quickest, least laborious option (of only bad options) is to campaign and run for the board with people who feel as you do.

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