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BarbaraD13 (Texas)
Posts: 46
Posted:
Just attended an interesting board meeting where a board member refused to let a homeowner attend electronically (he didn't want to be recorded) who said they don't have to follow any regulations from texas code 209 because we are a certified 55+ community (even tho 209 is referred to in the CC&R and that we were exempt from all that because of HUD.

Can someone shed some light on this please. I was also told that I could not be a board member as I was a winter Texan. And that they needed to discuss in executive session if it would be allowed to attend by phone. That if I was not in attendance for 3 meetings I could be dismissed.

Is this board member correct? That HUD supercedes texas HOA rules and if so, help me find the statute.

Thankyou.

DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM
Just attended an interesting board meeting where a board member refused to let a homeowner attend electronically (he didn't want to be recorded) who said they don't have to follow any regulations from texas code 209 because we are a certified 55+ community (even tho 209 is referred to in the CC&R and that we were exempt from all that because of HUD.

Can someone shed some light on this please. I was also told that I could not be a board member as I was a winter Texan. And that they needed to discuss in executive session if it would be allowed to attend by phone. That if I was not in attendance for 3 meetings I could be dismissed.

Is this board member correct? That HUD supercedes texas HOA rules and if so, help me find the statute.

Thankyou.



The Board is wrong that any homeowner protections afforded by state statute do not apply just because a community qualifies as a age-restricted community via the Housing for Older Persons Act. If you can find in your governing documents that homeowners are allowed to attend board meetings electronically, and they cannot point to any specific statute or bylaw that states otherwise, the argument is over.

As far as your eligibility to be on the Board, that would be defined in your bylaws.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Just because people say what they say doesn't mean it's true, and I doubt that your being a 55+ community would exempt you from federal law. You should have asked that board member for the SPECIFIC citation.

It's not clear to me as to who didn't want to be recorded - the board member or the homeowner. Although there are some laws regarding video/audio recordings of public meetings (HOA and condo meetings generally aren't considered public meetings) and/or private conversations, this is still unfolding because everyone went to virtual meetings because of the pandemic. The board may need to go to the association attorney to get an opinion and the best way to proceed.

The usual hierachy of HOA regulations works like this:

1. federal law
2. state law
3. city/county ordinances
4. HOA declaration
5 HOA Bylaws and CCRs
6. HOA rules and regulations (the ones established by the board IF the bylaws and CCRs give it that authority. Those rules cannot supersede the Bylaws and CCRs)

In some instances, the HOA documents can supersede state law IF the relevant section is more strict than what's in state law. People also need to look at the effective dates - some state laws may only apply to HOAs established after a certain date.

Here's a link to Texas HOA laws - note some specifics apply to condos, so be sure you're looking at the right thing. https://guides.sll.texas.gov/property-owners-associations Start doing some searches and remember, not everything in HOA land is addressed by laws enacted by the state, city, Congress, etc. Neither do the Bylaws and CCRs - for that, you may have to rely on old fashioned common sense.

As for your interest in becoming a board member, read your documents to see what they say regarding "snowbirds". As a practical matter, a board member has to be available for all meetings. It may be they're concerned you wouldn't be in the community long enough to see what's going on day to day - which is a fair question. How do you respond to that? On the other hand, I don't see why you couldn't participate via phone or tablet, and there are other things you can do if you aren't there in person (e.g. review association financial reports as treasurer or administer the community website if you have that skillset).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM
Just attended an interesting board meeting where a board member refused to let a homeowner attend electronically (he didn't want to be recorded) who said they don't have to follow any regulations from texas code 209 because we are a certified 55+ community (even tho 209 is referred to in the CC&R and that we were exempt from all that because of HUD.
As DavidG45 said, this is false. See the hierarchy of laws that SheliaH posted. As long as no conflict exists between a given statement in one level of the hierarchy and a given statement in any lower level, then both levels apply, for the subject under consideration.

On the other hand, if this owner is saying that TPC 209.0051 (c-2) requires that he be allowed to attend by phone, then this depends on other requirements. If you do not understand, then ask a question.
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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM

Can someone shed some light on this please. I was also told that I could not be a board member as I was a winter Texan.
Please ask the board or whoever told you this to cite the law or bylaw that requires owners to be full-time residents in the HOA to be HOA directors serving on the board.

If no such exists, then such a board-created prohibition violates the bylaws and state law.

The board cannot create restrictions that are outside its authority.

This is an advanced HOA law topic. If you do not understand, ask questions.

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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM
And that they needed to discuss in executive session if it would be allowed to attend by phone.
TPC 209.0051 (c) prohibits the bord from doing this.

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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM
That if I was not in attendance for 3 meetings I could be dismissed.
This is allowed only if the bylaws say this.

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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/12/2023 8:13 PM
That HUD supercedes texas HOA rules and if so, help me find the statute.
Maybe I will post the ad nauseam, well-established law that says that federal law trumps HOA bylaws or TPC 209 only when there is a genuine conflict between the two. Even if there is an isolated conflict (one sentence in federal law conflicts with a bylaw or texas statute section), then this does not mean that the rest of the bylaws or texas statute do not apply. On the contrary.

Example:

Bylaw says that owners who were born in France may not vote in HOA board elections.

Federal law says that HOAs are prohibited from discriminating on the basis of national origin.

The bylaw and federal law conflict. The hierarchy of laws says the federal law "controls" here. Hence the bylaw prohibiting owners born in France from voting is null and void.

Next time I suggest you start a different thread for each of your very different questions.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By ElleN on 12/13/2023 8:13 AM
Maybe I will post the ad nauseam, well-established law that says that federal law trumps HOA bylaws or TPC 209 only when there is a genuine conflict between the two. Even if there is an isolated conflict (one sentence in federal law conflicts with a bylaw or texas statute section), then this does not mean that the rest of the bylaws or texas statute do not apply. On the contrary.
Start by reading about the "supremacy clause" in the United States Constitution, https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/preemption

Then keep in mind how ridiculous it would be if any, one conflict between a federal statute section and a state statute section translated to the entire state statute being null and void.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Do at least read your Bylaws, Barbara, which must state qualifications to be a board member. While rare, it's possible the Bylaws require board members to be residents of the HOA. But then we have the problem of how to define "resident." Does it mean full-time?

Does your HOA hold Zoom meetings? What DOES 209 say about attending by phone?

BarbaraD13 (Texas)
Posts: 46
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I am very familiar with our bylaws and CC&R. In the 3 years I have been asking for ANY way to be kept informed while we are away, I have also read to Property statutes thoroughly as well as SB1588 that passed 2 years ago. After this episode that was brought on by our frustration, I went back and double checked our governing documents. No restrictions on electronic devices. No restrictions on residency (and Texas Property code 209.00591 (a-1) states that an HOA may NOT require all board members to reside in the neighborhood. No mention of a board members attendance requirements.
TPC 209.0051 owners are allowed to use electronic or telephonic communication if I read it correctly.
BarbaraD13 (Texas)
Posts: 46
Posted:
I am very familiar with our bylaws and CC&R. In the 3 years I have been asking for ANY way to be kept informed while we are away, I have also read to Property statutes thoroughly as well as SB1588 that passed 2 years ago. After this episode that was brought on by our frustration, I went back and double checked our governing documents. No restrictions on electronic devices. No restrictions on residency (and Texas Property code 209.00591 (a-1) states that an HOA may NOT require all board members to reside in the neighborhood. No mention of a board members attendance requirements.
TPC 209.0051 owners are allowed to use electronic or telephonic communication if I read it correctly.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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It helps to understand what the 55+ designation does. The Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA) grants these communities an exemption from certain provisions of the Fair Housing Act, specifically the provision that prevents discrimination based on the age of residents (it's not quite that black-and-white, but that's the essence of it).

Importantly, it does not provide other exemptions beyond that. The community still can't discriminate based on other characteristics such as race or other protected class status. And HOPA does not exempt the 55+ community from other laws or requirements - and why on earth would it if HOPA does not address any of those other laws or requirements?

In other words, the 55+ designation is not a Get Out of Jail Free card. Thinking that it is makes me question the board member's judgement and understanding about other things.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/13/2023 11:24 AM
I am very familiar with our bylaws and CC&R. In the 3 years I have been asking for ANY way to be kept informed while we are away, I have also read to Property statutes thoroughly as well as SB1588 that passed 2 years ago.
Just saying: If you have a current copy of TPC 209 in front of you, it will include everything in S.B. 1588.
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Posted By BarbaraD13 on 12/13/2023 11:24 AM
After this episode that was brought on by our frustration, I went back and double checked our governing documents. No restrictions on electronic devices. ... TPC 209.0051 owners are allowed to use electronic or telephonic communication if I read it correctly.
I disagree. I believe TPC 209.0051 (c-2) does not require the board to allow an owner's electronic attendance at board meetings unless xyz (see c-2) happens. Elaboration:

By my reading, c-2 says that a board has the option to hold board meetings by electronic or telephonic means. But it is not required to do so. If the board does choose to hold board meetings by e or t means, then it must do certain other things, as given in the rest of c-2.

So to me, the question becomes: Is the board holding board meetings by electronic means? If not, then the owner who wants to attend electronically is out of luck.

Texas's nonprofit corp statute BO 22 says similar.

I checked all else you posted. I think you got things right or "right enough." Hopefully someone else will do a third check.

Perhaps the next question is how to proceed.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Typically the Bylaws say missing 3 meetings with no excuse.

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