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JamesS39 (Florida)
Posts: 14
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I am in a community in Florida that the HOA is controlled by the developer. We have no direct way of contacting the Board of Directors other than through the property management company. There are many issues we have with the manager but everything we want to discuss has to go through him. Can we force them to give us direct contact information to the board of directors?
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
Here that information is recorded with the Secretary of State and it’s accessible online.
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
The Developer is an owner of property in the HOA and has his name and address in the tax records. Also, as a HOA member you are entitled to the name and address of all lot owners from management.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By AidylP1 on 12/12/2023 10:29 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/12/2023 10:25 AM
Here that information is recorded with the Secretary of State and it’s accessible online.


Actually, it's not recorded with the Secretary of State. Most management companies will use the address of the MC as the address of the Board. There is no individual phone number or email provided.

In California (to which I referred) it is required to be recorded with the Secretary of State. You should know that.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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James,

I don't know why others desire to discuss how it works in their State when it doesn't really help you.

If your Association is incorporated, go to FL Division of Corporations and do a search for your Association. Once you find your corporation/hoa you will be able to see the following info:

Principal address (typically, the registered agents)
Mailing Address
Registered Agent name and address
Directors and Officers name and address

You will also be able to look up past reports to the State.

This will not give you their email or phone numbers.

However, you will have a mailing address of the Directors.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/12/2023 11:11 AM

However, you will have a mailing address of the Directors.


In my association we just put the HOA PO box as the mailing address for all directors. I think it is pretty common for managed associations to use the PM address.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
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James,
If you are still under developer control even if you have someone's personal contact information you will have trouble getting anything done.

The Manager works for the developer who has the majority of the voting shares until the HOA is turned over to the owners and a new board is created. If I were you, I would advise you to speak cautiously if you are able to reach them. Once they need to start to create the owners board, they usually reach out to people who they see as friendlies to tap as early board members. This may not help you get much done but at least you will be privileged to more of the meeting discussions.

I always recommend once the board is majority owners the search for e new PMC begins. The developers Manager does not work on your behalf. They work for the developer.
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
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In CA, the SOS Statement of Info shows the home address for our President, Secretary and Treasurer

Our HOA has the same name as an HOA in Florida (from time to time we get people from Florida joining our HOA by mistake)

I went to the Florida SOS website and did a search on our HOA name. The SOS list the names of six directors, but it appears it is pretty common, like others have mentioned, that they all use the management company's address. With that being said, it should be pretty easy to find additional info on the web using the full name provided from the SOS along with your zip code

https://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ByName
JamesB37 (California)
Posts: 351
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I meant to say that homeowners from the Florida HOA try to join our California HOA Facebook page by mistake
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Mark and Tim bring up good points. For now, you may need to wrestle with the developer regarding your issues until the community is turned over to the homeowners. In the meantime, do you know who's on the board? If so, check your documents to see what's available to the homeowners, such as an owner list. If you can get that, you may be able to identify their addresses. However, you'll have to ask the property manager for the owners' list, so that may not work right away or they'll turn you down completely (and there might not be anything you can do about that).

Once your community is turned over to the homeowners, suggest that the board establish one email address where people can send correspondence. This way, all the board members see the same letter and send one response, instead of board members contradicting each other. In the meantime, if you manage to get a homeowner's list and can identify the board members, send a letter to all of them, but please respect their privacy. That means not trying to get a phone number or email, and I wouldn't visit them either (these days, too many things can happen).

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If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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James
When under developer control, he make the Rules and he can often be able to change the Covenants and Bylaws with his voting power. The Developer hand picks his BOD Members and they usually will be relatives, business associates, etc. so he does not want you contacting any of them.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/12/2023 11:11 AM
James,

I don't know why others desire to discuss how it works in their State when it doesn't really help you.

If your Association is incorporated, go to FL Division of Corporations and do a search for your Association. Once you find your corporation/hoa you will be able to see the following info:

Principal address (typically, the registered agents)
Mailing Address
Registered Agent name and address
Directors and Officers name and address

You will also be able to look up past reports to the State.

This will not give you their email or phone numbers.

However, you will have a mailing address of the Directors.


And this is how it works in California and that’s why I posted it.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Reminder that the deeper's Board very often includes no owners in the HOA. So getting a list of owners, which most likely is possible, won't help. And, if a major developer, as with our developer (no longer in the picture), his reps on our Board before turnover included folks who sat on several of his new HOAs' boards. They had no particular interest or insights into our specific HOA project.

Can you share with us, JamesS, what kinds of questions or comments you'd make to board members if you had access? Btw, wha size is your community?

Meanwhile, doesn't this Board hold regular open board meetings as required in FL?

As with many HOAs, owners contact our Association onsite manager (PM) with questions/concerns/work orders and no individual board members.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By Hijacker TerriS6 on 12/12/2023 10:25 AM
Here that information is recorded with the Secretary of State
This is grossly inaccurate.
https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/S/HOA-Statement-of-Information

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Posted By Hijacker TerriS6 on 12/12/2023 10:25 AM
and it’s accessible online.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
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Posted By ElleN on 12/12/2023 4:30 PM
Posted By Hijacker TerriS6 on 12/12/2023 10:25 AM
Here that information is recorded with the Secretary of State
This is grossly inaccurate.
https://www.davis-stirling.com/HOME/S/HOA-Statement-of-Information

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Posted By Hijacker TerriS6 on 12/12/2023 10:25 AM
and it’s accessible online.
Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.

Changing my name proves your dishonesty. Does your babysitter know you are online again?
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Hijacking TerriS6, thank you for conceding AidylP1's and my point.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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To try really hard to to attend to the OP's post....

As noted above, chances are very strong that the developer's board is comprised of their employees, family members, etc. So they won't be on any HOA Membership List. And, even if you get their names/addys, how could it help you, JamesS? They're basically just seat-fillers.

But this reminds me, along with changing mgmt. companies when Owners take control, as mark recommends, also hire a new attorney. Our Board did hire a new MC at turnover, but failed to hire a new HOA attorney for several years. The developers attorney did her best to keep our board away from construction defect investigations.

Even if you won't need an attorney on retainer, do not use the firm your developer uses.

Jeez, moderators can't you do something to eliminate the constant off-topic ego-driven and petty bickering between elle & Terri? It seems they're purposely trying to ruin sincere posters' threads!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By AidylP1 on 12/12/2023 4:55 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 12/12/2023 11:11 AM

If your Association is incorporated, go to FL Division of Corporations and do a search for your Association. Once you find your corporation/hoa you will be able to see the following info:

Principal address (typically, the registered agents)
Mailing Address
Registered Agent name and address
Directors and Officers name and address



I looked up a HOA in Florida through the site you posted and the mailing address of the directors was that of the MC.

And the one I looked up had individual addresses of the Directors.

MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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I do not understand why the Board information is not be available, since they work for the residents. So sad since this type of Board helps gives HOA's a bad name. We are fortunate that we do not have that issue.
ElleN (Idaho)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/12/2023 6:05 PM
moderators can't you do something [snip demands that incorrect information be ignored]
I understand that you are fine with TerriS6 and yourself posting incorrect citations to California law. As a crowd-sourced forum, I hope you see the value of setting the record straight.

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