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JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
The BOT is budgeting to hire from a company a full time handyman at a cost of $50 per hour $113,000 a year.. The position will receive 14 paid days off a year. The position will perform Janitorial cleaning, Minor repairs, moving furniture for meetings/ social events and possibly $200,000 in capital replacement projects. The cost of the handyman is $25 per month per homeowner.
Question
1-Assuming the Handyman can complete all $200,000 of capital projects shouldn't that potion be charged to deferred maintenance and not to the annual operating expense.
2- shouldn't the cost of each capital project be awarded on a bid bases and not simply done on time and materials
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Is your HOA a non-profit or for profit? I am not sure why they would be hiring a direct employee. That entails more in taxes and responsibilities. For me, I think it's better to do a 3 bid process and or hire as a 1099 contractor. That contractor is then responsible for their own taxes and expenses.

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
$113K a year seems a lot for a handyman - are you factoring in the cost of benefits (e.g. pension or 401K contributions?) Does that include supplies the handyman might need for the work? That could explain part of the cost, but if you have a large community, that could also explain some of it - how big is yours? Is it a high-rise, townhouse, etc.?

For the capital improvement projects, I would prefer a bid process, as Melissa noted, but if they want the handyman to do this, I need more information on what's needed. For example, if your community maintains parking lots, repainting the spaces is necessary from time to time. That's not done every year, so that would be a reserve expense. Not sure what you mean by deferred maintenance - deferred maintenance generally refers to repairs that are done to infastructure that was delayed because of budget issues.

You have good questions - have you raised them with the board? If so, what was the response? If not, why not?


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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Our handyman gets paid as a 1099 contractor at $27 per hour. I know you are in the northeast, but that's a lot of money for a handyman.

I would prefer bidding out jobs that total that much money. In our state, handymen don't need to be licensed, but they can't do plumbing or electrical, which do require a license. Anyone you hire through the bidding process would have to be licensed and insured.

Does the board think they will be saving money by paying one person a salary and not having the markup from hiring several different companies to do the capital improvements?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I think that all major work should have 3 bids from licensed and insured companies.

However, to my knowledge, there is no requirement that this happens.

Keep in mind that a salaried employee does have additional payroll tax expense in addition to what you have identified.
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
The Handyman is contracted from a company not hired directly by the HOA. We are non profit.
The Budget reflects Capital and deferred Maintenance being charged to operating expense shouldn't the cost be charged to Deferred accounts.
example Painting the entire clubhouse $40,000 estimated every ten years. Cost to operating budget spread out over 376 homes would be 8.86 per month per home for 12 months.If the same cost $40,000 is charged to deferred Maintenance account spread out over 10 years the cost to 376 homes the cost would be 88 cents per month.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By JohnA26 on 12/11/2023 2:20 AM
The [handyman] will perform Janitorial cleaning, Minor repairs, moving furniture for meetings/ social events and possibly $200,000 in capital replacement projects. [snippage]
Question
1-Assuming the Handyman can complete all $200,000 of capital projects shouldn't that potion be charged to deferred maintenance and not to the annual operating expense.
Whether the $200k is for "capital replacement projects" or "deferred maintenance" (which arguably is a sub-category of capital replacement costs," both of these categories are typically chargeable to the reserve account and not the operating expense account.

However, sometimes it is a judgment call.

What is most important is that the BOT (meaning "Board of Trustees," I presume) is, among other things, following a recently completed reserve study when it comes to their budget planning.

Have you looked at the reserve study and compared the assessments it recommends with what the board is doing here?

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Posted By JohnA26 on 12/11/2023 2:20 AM
2- shouldn't the cost of each capital project be awarded on a bid bases and not simply done on time and materials
It's a BOT judgment call.

Are you on the HOA Board?

Are you the treasurer?

What's your end game here? Owner (your) commentary at board meetings? Determining how you will vote as a director?
DeanJ
Posts: 1,786
Posted:
Does the club house need painted in 12 months or 10 years and does the HOA have $40,000 cash if the club house need painted in 12 months?
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
Former Trustee
BOT contracted for a handyman to preform janitorial cleaning, light repair and starting this year mover furniture for social events and meetings.
In the past Janitorial cleaning $34k
light main $12.

Handyman was part time 12 hours, grew to 20 hours than full time.
Furniture moves for social events and meetings was for 20 years done by residents.
Now by Handyman. N
No specific Capital projects were identified in budget other than a one line statement that total cost of all were $200,000
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By JohnA26 on 12/11/2023 9:00 AM
Former Trustee
BOT contracted for a handyman to preform janitorial cleaning, light repair and starting this year mover furniture for social events and meetings.
In the past Janitorial cleaning $34k
light main $12.

Handyman was part time 12 hours, grew to 20 hours than full time.
Furniture moves for social events and meetings was for 20 years done by residents.
Now by Handyman.
Being realistic is important, IMO. The BOT does not appear to be violating any laws or covenants for the above.

I believe your recourse is either (1) to run for the board and convince other directors to go back to residents doing this; or (2) speak out at the annual meeting or possibly any "open forum" segment of the board meeting.

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Posted By JohnA26 on 12/11/2023 9:00 AM
No specific Capital projects were identified in budget other than a one line statement that total cost of all were $200,000
Is this a New Jersey condominium? Or is it a NJ subdivision of single family homes? What year was the declaration recorded with the county?

I ask because if you respond, I will take a look at the statutes and see if you have more recourse with regard to the budget that was presented.
JohnA26 (New Jersey)
Posts: 43
Posted:
The club house was last painted in 2015. We have an engineering review every 3/4 years
reserve established to repaint in 10 years. Scheduled for 2025. clubhouse in excellent shape. Based on condition probably 2027.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By JohnA26 on 12/11/2023 9:00 AM
Former Trustee
FWIW another recent thread here talked about recommended practices for former board members. See https://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/361794/view/topic/Default.aspx

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