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WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:
Old Treasurer resigned. 2 days before our Dec Board meeting.
She was only on the board to complain about violations but did not do anything meaningful, only complained that property mgt company wasn't doing enough. Did absolutely nothing in regards to treasury duties. not even an annual budget.

Just got a new board member; only person to actually volunteer in over 2 years. She seems really good and will probabluy contribute a lot.

One legitimage gripe of the old Treasurer was that she was CC'd on every HOA related email. we are a 150 SHF HOA in NC with a small budget of only $90/dues once a year, but there are still a lot of emails. maybe 10 to 20 every month.

I can see how they can get annoying.

I proposed one central email that board members can log in and see whenever they want. Honestly at least 50% of my HOA emails were not responded to by the other board members.

We would only vote on matters during our quarter board meetings.

How do other HOA boards handle too many emails overload?

vis ta vie
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Generally our emails are directed to our property manager because they're requests for things like maintenance. We have security officers so they get emails about things like a junk car left in the parking lot (the officers are off duty cops so they can arrange to have it towed). Everything else is sent to the board, which has the one email you mentioned. I think the current board takes a look - I've been out of that loop since stepping down, but I served with them, so I know the president takes a look.

"Too many emails" is subjective- you may think they're excessive, but your colleagues may not. Personally, i dont think 20 emails a month for a community of 150 homes is excessiv, but have you looked at them to see if there are any patterns?

Having one central email for the board is a start, but sone of this may be a matter of educating the homeowners. You don't have to provide a detailed response shortly after they hit "send" - some things do require research so they get a complete and accurate answer and so they have to wait. You should send an acknowledgement of receiving the email the same day (that can be automated) and perhaps an estimated response time, say 5-7 business days (not counting weekends and holidays).

If your management company has an on call manager for emergencies, that's who should be contacted and homeowners should be told what's considered an emergency. If you have people who don't understand or care about the ground rules, remind them and deal with their correspondence in the appropriate manner going forward. Remind everyone of the ground rules once a year posting them on the community website is even better.

Finally, I think CCs to the board is helpful regarding follow up on meeting decisions and action plans to ensure everyone knows what's going on and what's expected of them. They may not read the email the same day or care about it the way you do, but there have been dozens of conversations on this website about board members freezing out one by not keeping them in the loop, or board members going behind everyone's back to tell the property manager to do sonething. In your former treasurers case, her problem was being lazy - the emails that discussed something SHE was interested in got her attention, unlike mundane things like - preparing a budget or being able to discuss it in an informed manner.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
In California, it is illegal for a board to discuss business by a series of emails. Civil Code section 4910(b)(1). Problem solved.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Wendy,
I would start by looking at the contract you have with your PMC. You are obviously a Portfolio account meaning you only get X number of hours of this managers time monthly. Different managers handle business differently. Our last PMC only worked on our property 2 1/2 days a week 20 hours a week. They worked Tuesday and Thursday and 1/2 day of Friday. If an email came in on Friday after lunch that our Clubhouse burned down, they would not see the note till Tuesday morning. That is one reason why they are no longer our PMC.

Regarding emails if I were you, I would want the board to be copied on all PMC emails. This does not mean they must act on them, but they should be aware of them. IMO it is hard to keep them accountable if you are unaware of the problems and the response times.

As a volunteer and a board member being aware is part of the duty. Most if not everyone with a computer probably gets 20 Junk emails a day much less a month. If I were your president, I would just have that as an expectation that you will be copied on emails. I would advise members to read and be aware and then setup a folder for board emails. I would also advise them not to feel the need to reply to most. It is the PMs job to handle the day-to-day issues. It is the boards job to know what is going on in their HOA. If a board member does decide that a note needs attention, I always remind our board to start by saying they are not speaking for the board they are speaking for themselves.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Our HOA you could email the "Bookkeeper" service and then they would forward it to us. It would be part of our monthly meeting information when we picked up the financials. We didn't discuss things via email. I did set up a general email box for our board. However, any correspondence was approved by the entire board before communicating.

I am not surprised nor do I expect there to be any CC if your emailing one email address. You also don't necessarily have the right to email addresses in every state. It's more of an "opt in or out" type of information for many HOA's. CC seems to me you want to know what the board members personal email addresses are so you can email them directly. Pick and choose which ones you want to to talk to.

Former HOA President
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/10/2023 5:23 AM
In California, it is illegal for a board to discuss business by a series of emails. Civil Code section 4910(b)(1). Problem solved.
First, in North Carolina by statute, board meetings do not have to be open to owners. Second, North Carolina statutes have no such email restrictions. Third, it is not cool that you ignore the recent Ca appeals court ruling that considered 4910 (b) (1), and other statute sections, and ruled that, under certain conditions, non-emergency board business may be discussed by email in California.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By ElleN on 12/10/2023 8:06 AM
Posted By TerriS6 on 12/10/2023 5:23 AM
In California, it is illegal for a board to discuss business by a series of emails. Civil Code section 4910(b)(1). Problem solved.
First, in North Carolina by statute, board meetings do not have to be open to owners. Second, North Carolina statutes have no such email restrictions. Third, it is not cool that you ignore the recent Ca appeals court ruling that considered 4910 (b) (1), and other statute sections, and ruled that, under certain conditions, non-emergency board business may be discussed by email in California.
TerriS6, urge you to stop now with this hijacking of the thread. What you want to discuss is completely, thoroughly unrelated to NC HOA law.
TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I mention California law when replying to poster from another state so they can check their own restrictions. Not a hijack.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By TerriS6 on 12/10/2023 8:23 AM
I mention California law when replying to poster from another state so they can check their own restrictions. Not a hijack.
You are going to do what you want. With every mistake you make with regard to California law, you and I will discuss it.

The only thing possibly relevant here is that the North Carolina legislature agrees, so to speak, with the California appeals court that email discussions by directors can have value and are not necessarily something owners need to see.

The OP (WendyM5) is not even asking about the legality of email discussions. Why? Because it is n/a in North Carolina.

You in particular are plenty smart enough to know how to look up the NC HOA statutes.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Clarify for me, Wendy: Are they emails among you & the other two directors, which was my first impression? And are they mainly from you to the other directors? Or, as Shelia surmised, from owners to the Board?

I'm guessing that they're emails of all kinds to you--as president-- that you fwd. to the Board?? If that's the case, 20 a month for an HOA of very little complexity--a playground-- seems like a lot. But please clarify.

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
One never knows how one's comment will help a poster. I've spent 5 years studying California HOA laws/cases. I wouldn't presume to give an answer for another state with any confidence. I can only hope a person in another state can find some relation to their state or get an idea to research. I do believe North Carolina has more poisonous snakes per capita than any other state.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
TerriS6, you can and have quoted other state's statutes in this forum.

My wish is that the threads you start become flooded with posts by people not in California; who post their own reflections on their states' statutes; and who often get things egregiously wrong resulting in people like me (uh huh) informing them they are wrong about their own state.

Sure, you might take something from their posts.

And to spice up today's hijacking:

Seventeen-year-old Peter Park has not graduated from high school or college. He recently earned a J. D. and passed the toughest bar exam in the country (in California). See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/08/teen-passes-bar-exam-youngest-attorney-california. Peter Park has taken a job as a deputy District Attorney with a city in California.

So yes, even certain non high school graduates can figure out the law.

-- Co-hijacker ElleN

TerriS6 (California)
Posts: 3,284
Posted:
I have never seen a post that didn't have comments from other states and sometimes the advice is not applicable in California. Nobody here is an expert. I welcome comments whether they are from CA or somewhere else. i wish there were more comments from experienced Californians though.

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