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ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
I’ve been on my board for the last 14 years with about a 9 month hiatus in there a few years ago when I was asked to return. I had planned my exit by not running again this year and went so far as completing a proxy for the annual meeting having been sucked back in twice before when no one else was interested.

I felt good about my decision to leave - we have a strong president who has been on the board a long time, one other board member who is new to our association but has significant experience and one other member who is newer but generally gets what’s going on even if they do wander down some rabbit holes from time to time. I’ve worked to get our board to a decent financial position, reserve study in place, decent reserves, etc so feel good about the immediate future. We may actually make it through a multimillion dollar roof replacement without a special assessment and would be the first condo in our town to accomplish that if it happens.

I shared with my other strong and long term board member my exit plan today. Sadly she is also planning her exit at the annual meeting and we both have some anxiety about both not being there going forward. Im busier than ever with work, haven’t been able to dedicate as much time as I once did and quite frankly my heart just isn’t in it at the moment. I feel some sense of duty to stay but also I understand that’s not rational either.

Have you ever found yourself in a similar situation? I think I just need to hear it’s ok to walk away from this role even if it’s temporary.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Huffington Post had an article on HOA board membership as being the worst volunteer job in America. I don't know if it's still online, but you may want to hunt for it. You will agree with everything in it, so you're not the only one who's felt this way!

You want to leave but are terrified of what may happen after you're gone. Deep down you also think no one can or will do what you've done so you stay so the others won't screw it up.

I was on my board for 10 years and near the end, I found myself really hating the thought of attending meetings, but like you, I felt like I had to because someone had to be treasurer. And attend local CAI meetings.. And prepare the newsletter. It seemed no one was paying attention to major issues like reserves, and then HOA work began taking too much of my personal life.

That's when I realized two things. One,, it was time to go because it was affecting my ability to be sn effective board member and two, if I didn't leave,, the others might never step and become tge board members they were capable of being. Sometimes people aren't moving forward because YOU won't let them.

It's like raising kids- at some point, they have to become responsible for their own lives and that won't happen if mom and dad keep making their decisions for them and bailing them out. It IS scary to let go, but necessary because you won't be around forever

It may seem hard to believe now, but the association will find a way to move forward after you step down, although you may have some hiccups along the way. You can still serve as a sounding board for newer board members, but don't do the work for them. Point them in the right direction and then get out of tbe way. In the meantime, step down as you plan and don't look back. You may also encourage your colleague to look for her replacement. There are other homeowners with potential, but may need someone to encourage them just as someone did for you 14 years ago. Good luck and if no one says it, thanks for everything!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ChrisP5 on 12/06/2023 8:52 PM
I’ve been on my board for the last 14 years with about a 9 month hiatus in there a few years ago when I was asked to return. I had planned my exit by not running again this year and went so far as completing a proxy for the annual meeting having been sucked back in twice before when no one else was interested.

I felt good about my decision to leave - we have a strong president who has been on the board a long time, one other board member who is new to our association but has significant experience and one other member who is newer but generally gets what’s going on even if they do wander down some rabbit holes from time to time. I’ve worked to get our board to a decent financial position, reserve study in place, decent reserves, etc so feel good about the immediate future. We may actually make it through a multimillion dollar roof replacement without a special assessment and would be the first condo in our town to accomplish that if it happens.

I shared with my other strong and long term board member my exit plan today. Sadly she is also planning her exit at the annual meeting and we both have some anxiety about both not being there going forward. Im busier than ever with work, haven’t been able to dedicate as much time as I once did and quite frankly my heart just isn’t in it at the moment. I feel some sense of duty to stay but also I understand that’s not rational either.

Have you ever found yourself in a similar situation? I think I just need to hear it’s ok to walk away from this role even if it’s temporary.


I know how you feel. I've been on and off the board since its inception just a few years ago. It's frightening to think about not being present, because we have always had a weak PMC and other homeowners don't take the time and don't have the chops to take care of things properly. My current two-year plan is to get things organized, like you have done, to the point where I believe I can leave. You might consider a few things that I am looking at:

* Make sure you have a strong PMC. Ours was very weak, with no knowledge of Delaware HOA laws and a shockingly incompetent accounting department. We now have a strong PMC that will generally keep our Board in line.

* Cultivate interest in the Board. Seek out the brightest and hardest-working people you can find in the community and encourage them to be involved.

* Join the Finance Committee. To me, the biggest potential problems relate to finances. I'm only mildly interested in what color people are allowed to paint their door, but I'm extremely interested in making sure we are spending enough to keep our community beautiful without wasting money. If you are similarly minded, perhaps limit your involvement to finances so you can make sure the Board if fiscally responsible.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Been there, done that... go the T-shirt... Which had to pay for myself instead of using HOA funds...

You need a break every once and a while. Plus your just changing roles. You are still a member of your HOA. Just not a board member. It takes a bit of adjustment to let go of that control and involvement. Just slowly pull yourself back from projects. The temptation there to get involved will always be there. Just take a breath and don't be so willing to jump in.

I tell people your job as a board member or officer in your HOA is to create a "Bigger fish". There is ALWAYS a "bigger fish". Your decision is do you want to be food for that fish or do you want to feed it? Develop those people you think would make a good board member. Educate them and give them words of your wisdom. This will be the person or persons you will vote for on the board after all...

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
We've had discussions with other board members who feel that they can't step down, and I understand why they feel that way. Here's the contrarian view.

All homeowners share the responsibility for running their associations. Yes, some are more qualified than others, and some should probably never get anywhere near board service. But a large chunk of homeowners refuse to have anything to do with volunteering - and worse, they feel entitled to free professional services from a minority of owners. It's in their best interests to convince the minority that the place will fall apart without them. If you're a board member who feels like they can't step down, you're supporting the entitled folks' view of things.

Is that what you want?

Taking a broader view, it's not in the association's best interest if there is such a mismatch between the skilled few who volunteer and the uninformed majority who won't stir a finger. Maintaining that mismatch may provide a short term benefit but at the expense of the longer term well being of the community.

Next, the best board members seem to burn out the fastest. The community either loses them sooner, or they stay in place and become increasingly less productive.

Finally, you should never sacrifice your own mental and physical health for a job that no one else is similarly invested in.

All this is my permission to step down whenever you want to - although if you're the last serving board member, please appoint at least one other person before you walk away. I stepped down when it appeared I was outnumbered by board members who seemed determined to get themselves sued, because my presence would have done nothing except make me nuts. And it would have prolonged the craziness on the board, since the others were the kind to dig in their heels if they had any opposition. Giving them enough rope to hang themselves actually shortened the time during which they got to learn painful lessons.

You are not responsible for messes that other people make - they are responsible. The rest of the membership is also responsible if they elect the mess makers and don't do anything about it when it becomes clear what's going on. You don't have the power to save people from themselves, and trying to do so won't change the eventual outcome. Go in peace, you've done more than your share.

ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
In my experience the biggest battle for the OP here might be accepting that those who follow in the OP's footsteps may do a poor job. One has to think often: Do I want to be back on the board, working like a dog for no thanks and no compensation? Or will I be happier not serving on the board while my replacements are mediocre-to-incompetent, (but at least the place will not burn down)?

One thing I have noticed is that past directors (myself included) are quick to forget all the mistakes they made the first few years (and often longer) and how they learned from these mistakes. I think fairness demands giving new directors the same chance. This means often looking the other way at some egregious mistakes.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
And in my experience also, that's what happens: mediocre/incompetent boards but they don't burn the place down. The closest we came to burning down was the kerfuffle with our Vocational Dissidents scaring away the entire board and we flirted with receivership. But it was the wake-up call the community needed, and we're fine. It also worked out in my favor because the current board listens to what I have to say (and I return the favor by letting them find their own way and only speaking up if there is something they really need to know).

There is an art to being an effective board member, and there's also an art to being an effective former board member.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By CathyA3 on 12/07/2023 11:30 AM
And in my experience also, that's what happens: mediocre/incompetent boards but they don't burn the place down. The closest we came to burning down was the kerfuffle with our Vocational Dissidents scaring away the entire board and we flirted with receivership. But it was the wake-up call the community needed, and we're fine. It also worked out in my favor because the current board listens to what I have to say (and I return the favor by letting them find their own way and only speaking up if there is something they really need to know).

There is an art to being an effective board member, and there's also an art to being an effective former board member.
Once again, to me this writing and reasoning is exceptional.

"Effective former board member" -- indeed.

Good to read that the board listens to you and likewise, you respect their space and finding their way.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Cathy wrote: "...the current board listens to what I have to say (and I return the favor by letting them find their own way and only speaking up if there is something they really need to know)." This is my situation too, Chip. I served actively & effectively on our Board for 14 years till 2 years ago.

Board members and the president do seek my advice. They also appointed me for a couple of special projects that involved lot of knowledge about certain things and a lot of writing. I find it very satisfying to continue contributing to my community in specific ways that I enjoy (and that most directors hate).

In other circumstance, the newly retired directors might like to form or chair a committee re: what interests them. What I do not at all miss are all of the meetings. I attend one boar meeting, via Zoom. My last 2 years were during a time of huge projects at my HOA so we had extra board meetings, we hosted Town Halls, we had extra executive sessions to hire vendors.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Chris,

I went through that with my last board.

The board after me did things differently.
The board after me made error (one a $3,000+ error - that I found)

However, at least they were willing to step up and serve.

I know I left the Association better then when I started to serve and that is the best any volunteer can accomplish.

Take the break.
You can run for election again later if desired, but take the break.

You will enjoy the time off.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Tim makes a good point too. We now have a board member who retired after an involuntary break due to a stroke in mid' 22 which left him partially disabled. I'm thrilled he's back. Our last president has been off the board for more than a year doing some very serious long-term travels. But he's said he may run again next election. If a vacancy occurs, I assume he'll throw his hat in. Meanwhile while at home, he attends board meetings and is on a committee, and I know the current president and treasurer consult with him, too, from time to time.

I took what became a "gap year" for 2+ months travel abroad in '19 and then 2 mo. heavy chemo/radiation tx. But the upcoming election was so important that I was persuaded to run again & was elected. A different director took a gap year and came back as very effective after 4 years son the Board. He retired last year, but now wants nothing to do with anything-HOA.

So these are just few ways one can leave Board service but still contribute...or not.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Tim makes a good point too. We now have a board member who retired after an involuntary break due to a stroke in mid' 22 which left him partially disabled. I'm thrilled he's back. Our last president has been off the board for more than a year doing some very serious long-term travels. But he's said he may run again next election. If a vacancy occurs, I assume he'll throw his hat in. Meanwhile, while at home, he attends board meetings and is on a committee, and I know the current president and treasurer consult with him, too, from time to time.

I took what became a "gap year" for 2+ months travel abroad in '19 and then 2 mo. heavy chemo/radiation tx. But the upcoming election was so important that I was persuaded to run again & was elected. A different director took a gap year and came back as very effective after 4 years on the Board. He retired last year, but now wants nothing to do with anything-HOA. Well, he'll certainly attend our annual Holiday Gala on Saturday.

So these are just few ways one can leave Board service but still contribute...or not.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
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Posted By KerryL1 on 12/07/2023 2:35 PM
Tim makes a good point too. We now have a board member who retired
Directors do not "retire." They either resign; do not run for re-election; or are recalled.

Nor is there anything in state law or any bylaws about directors taking a "gap year."

You put this junk in here, and it just confuses people.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You know what, elle? There is no rule that we must use only language that is in governing docs or state codes. I, or any poster may term a year that I did serve on the Board "a gap year" if I wish-it's short, sweet & comprehensible by ppl.in the USA. I also may term not seeking reelection to board service ever again "retirement." Indeed my colleagues gave me a "retirement gift." A nice coffee mug with my name/dates of service on it & our HOA's logo. I can't imagine how any reader could not know what that means. Uh, oh, I see that Chris in the OP uses the word "exit." OHHH Nooooo....

Your silly meaningless words here do, indeed, hijack this thread.

You are not the judge & jury of the language I or anyone else uses here. It does matter if someone terms covenants "rules" or Bylaws." The words have specific meaning in HOAs, HOA statutes, and corporations codes nationwide. It matters that they are used correctly. It does matter if someone does not know the difference between offices & directors. A goal of this forum is for folks to "learn."

Meanwhile, to return to Chris' topic, I missed David's remarks about former directors serving on the Finance Committee. Excellent! If they know the finances. Usually only a couple of directors in my HOA understand them. Your plan look good, David.

I meant for my 2nd 2-year stint to be just that for the same reason as yours. OHHHH noooo... I wrote "stint!!!"
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Now, I DiD use confusing language, tho' no matter. My first stint as a director on a board of 7, and also usually sec'y tho'I was president once, was six 2-year terms.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Gah! The year I did NOT serve was my "gap year."
WendyM5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 1,522
Posted:

move to a single-family home. not sure why anyone would want to live in a condo with all the problems they have with bad HOA boards.

and quite the HOA position when you move. all problems solved

vis ta vie
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Kerry, of course I am a member of the jury.

Of course you are going to continue posting narcissistic, made-up junk. Most importantly: Every one of your posts does have value. This is because IMO you are one of the Captain Queegs of HOA Nation. People need to see the mediocrity of many HOA directors. People need to ponder how "service" like yours may be perfectly acceptable given the alternative of serving on HOA boards themselves.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
However much you dislike & disagree with me, elle, I make up nothing and stand by my advice and comments, which often are based on solid, serious, board service characterized by several initiatives that were successful in my HOA.

The last time a poster spewed so many insults so often, the moderator took some action. The violator was JohnB of AC, aka, PITA. As with elle, a large majority of his posts were helpful and informative. But, also like elle, he kept throwing sabots into the works in the form of personal tot-lot attacks.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
KerryL1, it is not trivial that HOA Board directors do not in fact "retire" and do not in fact receive an award of "gap years" from owners.

Homeowners' association directors either quit running for re-election; fail to win re-election; are recalled; or are possibly tossed off the board for criminal conduct. If a director decides not to run for re-election in any given year, and then runs again the following year and wins, it is not because of a "gap year" that you recklessly insist exists as a legal construct in HOAs.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Elle, you're fabricating that I wrote "gap year" is a legal construct in my HOA. I wrote no such thing. Nor did I imply that I received an "award" for my "gap year." Resorting to mischaracterizations & misquotations always are signs of weakness from the drivel thrower.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
Posted:
Kerry, pay attention: A "gap year" is awarded by universities to certain students and faculty who meet certain qualifications, allowing them to take a year away but return, because the university has formally, in writing agreed a seat will be saved for them.

You have repeatedly referred to your withdrawal from the board (either by resigning, or not seeking re-election) as your taking a "gap year." As if you had a place back on the board reserved for you.
ChrisP5 (Missouri)
Posts: 165
Posted:
Hi all,

Thanks for the kind words. I did indeed skip our annual meeting but made sure my proxy was in for quorum purposes and am officially off the board. Not surprisingly the board didn’t fill at the meeting and they will be operating with some vacancies but there are some good people left so I do feel good about that. I talked with both our PM and president yesterday who both asked if I might be willing to help out with some special projects so I will consider that. Much like a previous poster I care a lot about finances and physical operations and far less about neighbor disputes and paint colors so maybe this could be a good fit in a few months.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Good for you and enjoy "reclaiming your time"! Just ve careful with the special projects - you don't want to spend too much time on them because you might be tempted to rejoin the board (letting go can be harder than staying). I suggest staying away from all of it for the next 3-6 months to decompress.

If other homeowners beg you to return, don't yield to temptation, but see who look to be someone with potential and encourage them to give it a go. In fact, 8f you do get involved in a special project, ask the board to commission a special advisory committee to oversee it and look for members. Serving on a committee can be a great to find and develop talent.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Looks good, Chris.

I like Shelia's point about being alert for promising possible Board candidates.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I keep running and get elected to our BOD. The reason I do so is I do not want another ahole getting elected.

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