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DaleB (Arizona)
Posts: 12
Posted:
The president and secretary of our BOD's continually make unilateral decisions outside of board meetings. For example, the secretary had the board attorney send a "Cease and Desist" letter to an owner on the ranch because of comments he made on a private interent discussion forum. I am a Director on the board and saw this letter for the first time after it was already sent out. No votes or even discussion ahead of time. This is just one example of many decisions being made. I am the only director who has tried to make the president and secretary accountable for these actions. Our Bylaws and the "Arizona Revised Statues" seem to make it very clear that an "Action Without Meeting" vote is required when taking these kinds of actions. When confronted on this issue the Secretary says that the Bylaws and Statutes do no specify which actions require this "Action Withour Meeting". I said that it should be all actions by the board.

FYI our Bylaws say,

Action taken Without a Meeting. The directors shall have the right to take any action in the absence of a meeting which they could take at a meeting by obtaining the written approval of all the Directors. Any action so approved shall have the same effect as though taken at a meetingof the directors.

The Arizona revised statutes say,

10-3821. Action without meeting

A. Unless the articles of incorporation or bylaws provide otherwise, action required or permitted by chapters 24 through 40 of this title to be taken at a directors' meeting may be taken without a meeting if the action is taken by all of the directors. The action must be evidenced by one or more written consents describing the action taken, signed by each director and included in the minutes filed with the corporate records reflecting the action taken.

B. Action taken under this section is effective when the last director signs the consent, unless the consent specifies a different effective date.

C. The consent signed under this section has the effect of a meeting vote and may be described as such in any document.

D. Any director may revoke a consent by delivering a signed revocation of the consent to the president or secretary before the date the last director signs the consent.

E. For the purposes of this section, a consent may be signed using an electronic signature as defined in section 44-7002

Am I correct in saying that all actions taken outside of meetings should require an "Action Without Meeting"? If not which actions require "Action Without Meeting" and which do not? Is there any official clarification of this issue? What are my options?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I think the "action" meant by the bylaw is really an official motion made and passed, and the acted upon. They are usually ratified later at a meeting.

The real question is - Are disciplinary letters sent to members a Board decision? Does it take a motion to have a letter sent to a member about a violation?

You just need to make sure this is brought up at the next meeting and discussed. Either a policy - adopted by the Board by a amjority vote - needs to be devloped, or some kind of criteria placed on disciplinary notices.

Look to see how it has been handled in the past.

But I do agree with you, there should have been several thoughts entertained on the best way to handle a member exercising his First Amendment rights

DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
What is described are common problems: (1) board president takes action on important issues without approval of the board; and (2) board president oversteps the authority of the board (in this case a free speech issue).

The rest of the board must assert its authority. Actions are often required between the regularly schedule board meetings. Those actions can be authorized/taken in at least three different ways: (a) call a special meeting of the board; (b) action without a meeting by unanimous written consent; and (c) action by the president or officer designated to act on minor matters between meetings. One of the standing agenda items on each regular board meeting should be the president's report on actions taken since the previous meeting. Not only does this serve to inform all the board members, it also provides the opportunity for intervention by the board. In this case, intervention seems appropriate by directing the president to retract the "cease and desist' letter and to apologize. If the president refuses, the secretary is obligated to implement the action fo the board to send the retraction letter. As SusanW1 points out, members should be able to express their views. What the president did happens in dictatorships.

Another aspect is that all board members should be diligent in acting only where the board has the authority to act. A corollary is that the board's actions should also conform to the law and the governing documents. A well-functioning board has these disciplines, which means the board members are knowledgeable on the content in the governing documents.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I expect Dale relizes the actions he is asking about are wrong. These actions are certainly not covered under "Actions without a Meeting," clause. That is not the purpose for this item.

What Dale wants to know, I think, is what can HE do about it. Certainly this is the commone refrain we read about.

Personally, I would yell and scream until the practice was stopped and even that don't work all the time. I have been working on items the Board should not be doing (like closed Board Meetings) for years. Maybe this annual meeting will be the one I can get this changed. He is faced with what is very common on this site. He is even a Board Member and still they don't listen to correct advice. Happens all the time. We all have good reasons we can use to blame this on, but how do we stop it? I'll tell you true, the ways some condos especially, are structured and HOAs are following, (I am referring to large numbers of absentee owners)matters will only get worse.

So my advice to Dale is don't stop trying to change things that are wrong, hang in there and little by little you will change enough small things until you change the attitudes of the Boards. Our documents are never perfect but we have the Power to change them, but we can't change some people so we have to work to change management, boards, managers and specific board members that insist on ignoring the right of the members. Dale has the opportunity to be a significant for change, but it will be a process and likely not be quick or earthshaking. But, it's worth the effort.

If any member of any association can accumulate enough support, they can create a whole new Board by recall or pick and choose who you want to leave.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I don't think the president will need to seek permission from the Board to write EVERY letter. In this case, it was a Disciplinary Letter. That makes it special.

It sounds like there is no Policy as to when it should be done, and what for (why). Once those questions are answered, the President can write these letters as a part of the policy steps.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susan,
Surely you are not suggesting the Disciplinary Letter the President choose to write because of some statement this owner made in public is call for the President or Board or anyone else to discipline someone, anyone, for talking in public, or private for that matter.

Consider, he is the president of a homeowners association, he doesn't have to qualify for the job other than to be an owner, there are no educational or experience requirements, he learns by on the job training, he dosen't have to report to anyone but the Board and in this case he don't do that, and he probably was forced into the jon by default.

He don't read the documents nor does he understand them and we should, because we are untitled owners, have no say in how our money is spent and how our elected officals conduct themselves.

Woe is me.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Do not believe the President will ever have the authority to act this way. Bottom line.....the President serves at the approval of the Board. He cannot act without Board approval, he must have vote approval of the Board , recorded and in the minutes. If the Board wants to assign him specific items he can handle unilateral, they have to be listed and approved by all directors.

The problem you get into is the Board is too weak to do their responsibilities and will let the President act this way, for one reason, is they don't want to show that the Boards and directors can disagree. That's life. no one expects all to agree, that is why you have votes called.

Don't let them hide behind Action without Meetings, he din't abide by that either and shouldn't try to use that clause to get his way.

I would venture to say, your association has been troubled for some time.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DaleB: You did not state the President did this, but .."secretary had the board attorney send a "Cease and Desist" letter to an owner on the ranch because of comments he made on a private interent discussion forum." I won't ask about the 'private' internet aspect of this, or the he said/she said, but IMO, this is not a case whereby it was necessary to apply "Action without Meeting".

Maybe the dastardly deed did require a severe letter of admonisment, don't know. I would rather think it could have been dealt with without an attorney, but with common sense, person to person and worked out between the parties involved.

When persons volunteer for Board positions they are bound to be the brunt of
criticism and wrongdoing. Its how many people like to operate, by pointing fingers. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying its normal. It comes with the territory.

Hopefully, those in authority are also receiving praise and compliments due to their efforts for the overall good of the community. Don't look for the nit-picking things, you'll always find some. Rise above the negative, and work together to bring out the positive aspects of your community. There has to be some, and if there aren't any, that's where your energy needs to focus!

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Dale: Further to my recent post and to the problem at hand, you are experiencing lack of communication between B-members.

At your next Board meeting, why not challenge the other members to what you state is a problem of B-decisions being made without the knowledge of other members. Now you're getting into decisions made at 'unscheduled meetings', no minutes being taken, no records of actions and responsibilities, etc.

One of the most important aspects for a community association is to know that the Board acts as a 'whole' and not apart from one another. While B-members may not always agree with each other, you need to discuss together, then take action. This certainly needs attention. Your problems go beyond "action without meeting".....

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Paul,
Excellent advice and well put.

My read on this Board Business is a good board has no problems handling critisism, and they also know how to handle positive feedback.

A bad board can't handle either one.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
Robert: Well said and true...unfortunately!

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