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RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
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I seek guidance regarding a resident in our condominium complex who has been contacting me with grievances about the HOA board and Property Manager. She alleges threats from them and feels unfairly targeted in matters concerning complaints, assessments, and late fees. The Property Manager, who isn't a board member, seems to control financial decisions, including imposing late fees, which typically fall under the Treasurer's purview.

This resident, an African-American female, believes she may be facing discrimination, but I'm cautious about making unfounded accusations. As a former board member, I acknowledge that not all board actions were necessarily wrong, but there are concerns about the lack of responsiveness to owners' opinions.

I've provided her with contact details for the President and Treasurer, emphasizing that financial matters should come from the Treasurer, not the Property Manager. Having served as the Vice President, I've observed a concentration of control with the Property Manager.

I'm seeking advice on how to handle this situation. I've suggested she consider legal representation, especially since she claims to have paid the late fees but continues to feel harassed. Any insights on the best course of action would be appreciated. Thank you.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
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Additionally, the owner has been requesting the monthly financial reports from the Treasurer for months, yet she has not received a single report to date.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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She may not be following the right way for requests. They should be in writing. The PM may forward them to the HOA board. Whothen can discuss with treasurer. Plus we don't know the scope of information she is requesting.

You also may be dealing with someone who plays victim. They can be difficult to deal with. Be careful when they try to make you their hero. They are just using you to get what they want.

Former HOA President
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 10:58 AM
I seek guidance regarding a resident in our condominium complex who has been contacting me with grievances about the HOA board and Property Manager. She alleges threats from them and feels unfairly targeted in matters concerning complaints, assessments, and late fees. The Property Manager, who isn't a board member, seems to control financial decisions, including imposing late fees, which typically fall under the Treasurer's purview.
Much of the lesser financial decisions are indeed in the purview of the Treasurer. However the board and/or treasurer might lawfully delegate some day-to-day financial decision-making to the manager.
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 10:58 AM
This resident, an African-American female, believes she may be facing discrimination, but I'm cautious about making unfounded accusations.
Fair Housing law is supposed to protect folks from discrimination on the basis of race. However, anyone complaining of a Fair Housing statute violation needs to prove that the alleged discriminatory action was clearly because of the complainant's race. It will not do to say, "The board did xyz to me. This violates the covenants. They are doing this because I am black." The complainant needs hard proof, like email exchanges or comments recorded at board meetings, to make such a contention.

This world has a lot of racism. And this board might indeed be racist. But to fight it legally, the case has to be provable and pretty iron-clad.

I expect there are local fair housing non-profit groups in Georgia that could help this person understand her rights. If you cannot locate any such groups, please post your county and I will offer some direction.
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 10:58 AM
As a former board member, I acknowledge that not all board actions were necessarily wrong, but there are concerns about the lack of responsiveness to owners' opinions.
Boards have zero obligation to respond to owners' opinions. If you think otherwise, please cite the bylaw, covenant or statute section that says boards must respond to owners' opinions.

And yet owners' opinions may be heard indirectly via the annual elections. This is where every owner who is unhappy with how things are being done can be heard, via his or her vote. I cannot emphasize the latter enough.
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 10:58 AM

I've provided her with contact details for the President and Treasurer, emphasizing that financial matters should come from the Treasurer, not the Property Manager.
I think you should correct yourself and say that the board has the legal right to delegate some decision-making to the manager. If per chance the manager is violating the bylaws, covenants or state law, then an owner should bring this to the attention of the board.
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 10:58 AM
I'm seeking advice on how to handle this situation. I've suggested she consider legal representation, especially since she claims to have paid the late fees but continues to feel harassed.
She should document everything. She should read the covenants carefully to see how late fees are computed. She should check to see how her payments to the HOA are credited. If she is behind in general in paying her assessments, it is possible that the payments she makes are credited in a certain hierarchy of order. It might be complicated. I admit this makes life very hard for anyone without a command of spreadsheets or financial math, which is like 99% of this country.

As for the records requests, I suggest you start a separate thread. Assuming this person was specific about which financial records she requested, and a few i's were dotted and t's crossed in the request (like providing a proper purpose) it is a big legal deal that she is not getting these records.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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From another thread, this is a condo association with 50 to 100 units.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
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What is the right way when you notify the treasurer that you would like to receive the monthly financial report and he agrees to send you the monthly reports? This is a right we extend to all owners upon request. This is not difficult.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
What is the right way when you notify the treasurer that you would like to receive the monthly financial report and he agrees to send you the monthly reports? This is a right we extend to all owners upon request. This is not difficult.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
What is the right way when you notify the treasurer that you would like to receive the monthly financial report and he agrees to send you the monthly reports? This is a right we extend to all owners upon request. This is not difficult.
RamonR1 (Georgia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
What is the right way when you notify the treasurer that you would like to receive the monthly financial report and he agrees to send you the monthly reports? This is a right we extend to all owners upon request. This is not difficult.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Ramon

Is she current in her dues? If she is not, she is just playing a game.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By RamonR1 on 12/04/2023 11:52 AM
What is the right way when you notify the treasurer that you would like to receive the monthly financial report


Dear HOA Treasurer,

Georgia Code 14-3-1602 gives owners certain rights to inspect and copy accounting records of the HOA corporation. Please provide a time and location for Tuesday, December 12 when I may inspect the last six months of monthly financial reports (income and expense statements and balance sheet).

I make this request in good faith. My proper purpose is to familiarize myself with the income and expenses of the association.

Sincerely,

name
address
email addie
phone

At this point, send the request certified mail, return receipt requested.

See https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-16-records-and-reports/part-1-records/section-14-3-1602-members-right-to-copy-and-inspect-records
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Assuming your state requires one, who is the registered agent of your HOA? That is the person to whom requests should me made for records. Often it is the property manager. If it were an officer, there'd be necessary changes to this role almost every year. Perhaps "the practice" for owners to receive records from the treasurer, but that doesn't seem to be typical in most HOAs. Self-managed HOAs' board may make that policy.

To Melissa's point, are you sure she's not requesting financials that Owners may not review? And yes, her request must b in writing and it's possible she may be required to give a purpose for wanting the records. If your documents or state permit owners to examine certain records, the the Board would NOT need to review her request as Melissa claims. Disciplinary fees/penalties for some owners, for example? Are you sure she's not mistaken about being up to date? If you've gone this far to try to help, you need to examine her records of payments, etc and be certain you understand your own late fees, etc.

Has she shown you evidence of harassment? Nastygrams, or?

Unless you're certain that she is correct about her complaints, I wouldn't advise her to seem legal help as it would be a waste of her money.

That your board may delegate many tasks to your PM probably is in your Bylaws. But I doubt that the treasurer has the power or authority to delegate anything to the PM. Any board would be unwise to give the treasurer such authority, which can only be the result of a board decision made by vote at a board meeting.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I’d start with the records request – as has been stated, the lady should send a written request for the monthly financial reports. If your community has a website, she might also want to check there because some post that information online. The amount of information may also be an issue – she shouldn’t have any trouble getting the last year or two, but if she wants the last 10 years, it may take a little time to pull all that together.

If a letter becomes necessary, put a deadline on it, say 30 days from the letter date. ElleN gives a good example of a letter you might use. That said, if she complained about this to the board, she should have received a response – if this community has issues with them responding to anything the homeowners have to say, that is a problem and it may be some of them are going to have to run for a spot in the next board election to get rid of the most unresponsive ones.

I’m a former board treasurer and generally we didn’t forgive late fees, explaining assessments were considered late if they weren’t received by the property manager by close of business on the 5th of the month. The homeowner had to prove it arrived on time and it didn’t matter how it was sent – for example, if you sent it by mail, we suggested you allow 7-10 business days (not weekends or holidays). These days, postal delivery everywhere has slowed because the current postmaster general has established policies that have slowed delivery over the past four years. There have also been problems with people breaking into post boxes and stealing checks (especially if they sit unmonitored in a parking lot – including the post office!). If she’s got cancelled checks, take a look at the back to see who endorsed them to ensure the money got to the right place.

If she pays online through her bank’s bill pay, check and see when the money arrived (usually it’s the same day you scheduled it or a day or two later – you still have to keep weekends and holidays in mind). If it’s the property manager’s payment portal, check to ensure there haven’t been any changes there. Our board decided on whether to waive a late fee and our decision is final. If the homeowner had a good payment record and slipped up once, maybe because something else was going on at the time, we'd waive it and that was usually the last time the homeowner had an issue.

As for the other stuff, I can’t say this is discrimination (and I’m African American) without more details, as you note. What is she complaining about, who did she talk to and when, what was the response, has anything been documented, etc. If things got heated and shouting and cuss words ensued, it could be easy for someone to say something repulsive, and that applies to both parties (and perhaps a few more). That may be a conversation for another day, but for now, you might be able to talk to a current board member (preferably a friend) and ask general questions like “I’ve heard people complain they’re having trouble getting information on their accounts, board meeting minutes, etc. I know you can’t speak for the entire board, but have you heard this and is the board making any plans to address this soon?”

A final thought – we never got involved with disputes between neighbors unless it concerned misuse, abuse or damage to the common areas, or if several residents had the same complaint against the same person. This lady should consider all her complaints and divide the crappy neighbor stuff from the ones the board should address, then focus on what the board can do if that’s the bigger problem. The others may end up with her taking private legal action against the homeowner or she may have to file a police report if criminal activity is involved.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Ramon, in case you haven't reviewed it in a while, I think it'll help you, thus, her, is you review the management contract, which like anything else you'd need to request in writing, etc.

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