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KimT13 (Georgia)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I’m the secretary for a small HOA (10 buildings, 70 condos) located in GA.
Roofs need replacing due to wind and hail damage. Board has been fighting our insurance carrier for over a year (SF) and have a public adjuster involved.
Likely about to retain council, make demand and have to file suit.

Current insurance carrier is likely not going to renew our insurance policy. And due to the current condition of the roofs, no other carrier is going to insure us.

Buildings have mansard roofs and are extraordinarily expensive. We have replaced three in the last couple years, but not enough reserves for the remainder). We can do repairs to limp us through, but that doesn’t negate the fact that replacement is needed in the eyes of an insurer.

Other than take out a loan (probably difficult due to (guessing) only 25% owner occupancy) to replace the roofs, are there any other options?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A HOA is only funded by it's members. Only suggestion is a special assessment to replace the roof cost. Once replaced you can pickup new insurance.

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ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By KimT13 on 11/30/2023 8:10 AM
I’m the secretary for a small HOA (10 buildings, 70 condos) located in GA.
Roofs need replacing due to wind and hail damage. Board has been fighting our insurance carrier for over a year (SF) and have a public adjuster involved.
Likely about to retain council, make demand and have to file suit.

Current insurance carrier is likely not going to renew our insurance policy. And due to the current condition of the roofs, no other carrier is going to insure us.

Buildings have mansard roofs and are extraordinarily expensive. We have replaced three in the last couple years, but not enough reserves for the remainder). We can do repairs to limp us through, but that doesn’t negate the fact that replacement is needed in the eyes of an insurer.

Other than take out a loan (probably difficult due to (guessing) only 25% owner occupancy) to replace the roofs, are there any other options?
The board has a duty to maintain the roofs. It's the loan or a special assessment. The board has to be strong and quote the governing documents time and again, pointing out that the board has no choice. It's fix the roofs, billing owners accordingly, or face much worse options (leaks, failure, risk to property and life, all of which portend further liability for the board and HOA).

When it comes to boards facing tough financial decisions because of failing infrastructure, I have found this inspirational:

https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/home-and-real-estate/an-unlikely-heroine-steps-in-to-save-crumbling-dolphin-tower
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I hadn't heard of mansard roofs and looked it up - you weren't joking when you said these are very expensive. These roofs are also expensive to maintain and have poor weather resistance. Guess the developer was more interested in the buildings looking pretty than being practical.

All of that said, I think Melissa's right, you're going to have to call for a special assessment. You also say you don't have enough in reserves for the rest, which makes me wonder (1) when was your last reserve study - if it's over 5 years old, you need to budget for one next year so you can do a better job in planning for the next 30 20-30 years for the budget and (2) have reserves been funded according to the last study's recommendations?

For that matter, have your assessments kept up with inflation? At the very least, I think homeowners should expect an annual increase based on the cost of living in their area, so they get used to it. People often squawk about assessments being "too high" but homeownership has never been cheap. These folks usually hope they're long gone by the time the caca hits the fan and newer owners are stuck with the bill because previous owners didn't plan (roofs should last 25 years or so, but climate change can cut that in half).

You could get a loan, but assessments will still have to increase because now you have to pay the loan, routine expenses, and fund reserves, so whether it's a special assessment or a loan, this will cost homeowners more money - and you might be looking at another loan or special assessments for something else in the future.

You will need a reserve study if the last one's hopelessly out of date, but in the meantime, get a roofing contractor to inspect the buildings and rank them from worst to not so bad (yet), and provide estimates for replacements vs. repairs. I suspect it will probably be better to bite the bullet and just replace them instead of relying on a Band-Aid repair.

Then call a special homeowner's meeting, present the findings and the numbers, let people ask questions, and schedule a future vote on special assessment vs. loan. If the special assessment wins, come up with a plan where people can pay their share over a year. The buildings with the worst shape should be addressed first, so those folks will need to cough up the money sooner. If there's been a history of people neglecting needed maintenance because of the cost (assessment increases again), they need to be reminded of that because they can't put this off any longer and if they sell, the new buyer (if there is one) will need to know the history.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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One of our condo sub-associations had a very good experience getting a Small Business Administration loan to pay for their roof repairs when the insurance settlement wasn't enough, and they did not have enough in reserves. It was apparently a very straight-forward process.

Our local bank also gives HOA/COA loans at very good rates.

What many associations here do is do a special assessment but take out a loan, so the special assessment is paid over several years and the payments are used to pay off the loan.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By SheliaH on 11/30/2023 9:07 AM
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The buildings with the worst shape should be addressed first, so those folks will need to cough up the money sooner.

One quibble - I'm not sure that's true. If the roofs are common area, then all owners should be assessed and the cost shared regardless of which buildings go first. (This is essentially what happens if you fund the replacement through the reserves. Everyone pays in, but roofs are usually replaced according to schedule unless you're in a very small association and they're all replaced at the same time.)

I've never heard of a special assessment for only a portion of owners that covers only the common areas in their buildings. I suppose it could happen, I just haven't heard of it. If as association does it this way, the section of the CC&Rs dealing with special assessments will say so.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By CathyA3 on 11/30/2023 10:56 AM
Posted By SheliaH on 11/30/2023 9:07 AM
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The buildings with the worst shape should be addressed first, so those folks will need to cough up the money sooner.


One quibble - I'm not sure that's true. If the roofs are common area, then all owners should be assessed and the cost shared regardless of which buildings go first. (This is essentially what happens if you fund the replacement through the reserves. Everyone pays in, but roofs are usually replaced according to schedule unless you're in a very small association and they're all replaced at the same time.)

I've never heard of a special assessment for only a portion of owners that covers only the common areas in their buildings. I suppose it could happen, I just haven't heard of it. If as association does it this way, the section of the CC&Rs dealing with special assessments will say so.
I am not sure what you are trying to say.

If SheliaH is saying that the covenants often state that a common area expense that benefits less than all owners may be assessed to only those owners so benefiting, then I agree that this is common.

For regular maintenance, it seems to me that this is going to pretty much even out.

For a one-time accident (like a tornado destroys one building's roof but leaves all other roofs alone), insurance is supposed to cover a lot of this, so the matter should be mostly moot.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I dunno. I can see having language about "what benefits only some owners" in HOAs with single family homes. But in condos, all owners own a fractional share of all common elements. Yes, I benefit if my building's roof doesn't leak. But everyone owns that roof. And depending on my fractional share, there could well be owners in different buildings who own a large percentage of my roof than I do. If I own one of the smaller units, this will definitely be true.

But as I said, there should be language in the CC&Rs that addresses this. If it says nothing about the owners who benefit from a particular assessment, then I say you can't do it. My own community's CC&Rs have no such provisions. The only assessments that aren't calculated by fractional ownership are the punitive ones (fines and the like).
LorraineH (Florida)
Posts: 3
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It may be FL law but our insurer must renew with an open claim. The premium skyrocketed in what I believe is their attempt to recoup the roofs that they will have to replace bc our tiles are no longer available. They are dragging their feet but like you we don't have enough in reserves to cover the 5% hurricane deductible (2.5M) so we have patches and more quarters to save up while our contractor and the insurance company resolve the argument over the wind lift and the need for new roofs.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
One HOA I was a member of needed major repairs (roofing, siding, walkways, etc.) and the Reserves could not cover it, so the BOD arranged for a $3 Million loan from a local bank. Each unit had to pay their share ($25K to $30K) direct to the bank. The bank arranged various payment options, with interest, extending out as long as 10 years and the balance payable upon sale. Pay within 90 days with no interest. It became a negotiating point when selling. These units sold for about $450K average.

Back to the beginning. The plan need owner approval. 86% voted yes. Several owners banded together and sued. The association lawyer managed to get the case heard right away do to the urgency of some repairs. The suit was promptly dismissed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
One HOA I was a member of needed major repairs (roofing, siding, walkways, etc.) and the Reserves could not cover it, so the BOD arranged for a $3 Million loan from a local bank. Each unit had to pay their share ($25K to $30K) direct to the bank. The bank arranged various payment options, with interest, extending out as long as 10 years and the balance payable upon sale. Pay within 90 days with no interest. It became a negotiating point when selling. These units sold for about $450K average.

Back to the beginning. The plan need owner approval. 86% voted yes. Several owners banded together and sued. The association lawyer managed to get the case heard right away do to the urgency of some repairs. The suit was promptly dismissed.

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