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ElaineI (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Good Evening,

This forum has been so useful I figured I would reach out again. I have searched our by laws as well as the protected covenants and for the life of me I can't find the info so I figured I would reach out. Do we have anyone well versed in GA HOA? A very select group in my community want to kindly request that one of the board members resign their position. If they wont voluntarily resign does anyone know what the next steps are? Our Management company is no use for this info.

Thank you in advance.
ElaineI (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
How do we go about a recall? Who has to be notified?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We have our own problems with our MC, but they would know how to FIND info on recalls. Surely your PM can direct you to GA statutes about HOA recalls, or the GA Corporate Codes if there is scant or no HIOA legislation in GA.

Maybe check you Bylaws again, which is where you'd expect something. If your annual elections aren't too far off, it's always going to be easier to vote the person out than to do a recall, which can be very technical.

What is a "very select group?" What does that term mean?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
We have our own problems with our MC, but they would know how to FIND info on recalls. Surely your PM can direct you to GA statutes about HOA recalls, or the GA Corporate Codes if there is scant or no HOA legislation in GA.

Maybe check you Bylaws again, which is where you'd expect something. If your annual elections aren't too far off, it's always going to be easier to vote the person out, if their term is up, than to do a recall, which can be very technical.

It is possible, perhaps, that your Bylaws permit the Board to declare the person's seat vacant if s/he no longer qualifies to hold a place on the Board. Could be because of too many absences, delinquencies, violations of your governing documents, or whatever else MIGHT be in your Bylaws Your Bylaws also MIGHT state that if a director is appointed BY the Board, e.g.,to fill a vacancy, the Board may remove that person.

What is a "very select group?" What does that term mean?
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
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Posted By ElaineI on 11/27/2023 4:32 PM
Good Evening,

This forum has been so useful I figured I would reach out again. I have searched our by laws as well as the protected covenants and for the life of me I can't find the info so I figured I would reach out. Do we have anyone well versed in GA HOA? A very select group in my community want to kindly request that one of the board members resign their position. If they wont voluntarily resign does anyone know what the next steps are? Our Management company is no use for this info.

Thank you in advance.

Apparently Georgia HOA laws don’t cover this, which leaves it up to state corporate statute. The link is below, but I think you would need advice from an attorney.

https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-8-directors-and-officers/part-1-board-of-directors/section-14-3-808-removal-of-directors
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
The term "very select group" caught my eye as well.

Why, exactly, do they want the board member to resign? Has that person done things, or failed to do things, that suggest they're acting in their own self interest rather than the interest of the community? Is the person dishonest, and the community is worried about the money? Is the person having cognitive problems?

Or is this group confused about how community associations actually work? Do they believe that boards are obligated to do what homeowners want, and this particular board member has said "nope"? Why does the group believe they have the right to remove a director who presumably was elected by the membership?

(We had a "very select group" in my community, and thanks to their actions we had no board at all for several months and were facing the likelihood of receivership. Thankfully the manager's contract runs until the end of the year - if it had expired, we'd have had no manager on top of no board and would not have been paying any bills during this time. It would have been an interesting time to have plumbing problems...)

That said, homeowners who want to replace a board member have the ability to do so, for any reason or no reason at all. They just better be sure that they have someone who's willing to replace the ousted director. They should also not expect to re-write corporate codes. Corporations are not democracies or social clubs, and tossing board members won't change that.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Cathy said. Your Bylaws usually address board elections and resignations, but lately, so many people have written about how their documents don't say much of anything, I'm not surprised that yours appears to address everything except that.

If these people want this board member to resign, they need to do the work and ask him or her, and if I were the board member, I'd probably refuse. Or call their bluff and ask "ok, which of you are willing to take my place, and what will you do when the next group asks YOU for your resignation (and they may or may not be nice about it?)" If they want this board member off, one of them can run for his/her spot in the next election and we'll see if they can get enough homeowners to vote accordingly. Or push for a recall via a special homeowner's meeting - hopefully, your documents do address how these are called. Usually a certain percentage of homeowners must sign a petition addressed to the board requesting a meeting to be held to discuss and vote on recalling the board member. The board would then have to call the meeting within a certain amount of time, and you would deal with the usual stuff like sending out proxies for those who can't attend the meeting.

If your documents don't address resignations (or recalls), this may be a good time for the board to establish rules. Check your documents first to see if the board has the authority to enact additional rules and procedures (they cannot supersede the documents). That said, I think it would be better to amend your Bylaws to address this, as in "if a board member resigns or is recalled before his/her term ends, the board may appoint an eligible homeowner to serve out the term." In fact, perhaps now is the time to commission a special committee to review the documents to see what else it doesn't address. They don't have to address everything (otherwise no one would read them, let along comply with them), but you could work with your association attorney to set priorities on what should be addressed sooner rather than later and deal with the rest later.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By CathyA3 on 11/28/2023 5:57 AM
The term "very select group" caught my eye as well.

Why, exactly, do they want the board member to resign? Has that person done things, or failed to do things, that suggest they're acting in their own self interest rather than the interest of the community? Is the person dishonest, and the community is worried about the money? Is the person having cognitive problems?

Or is this group confused about how community associations actually work? Do they believe that boards are obligated to do what homeowners want, and this particular board member has said "nope"? Why does the group believe they have the right to remove a director who presumably was elected by the membership?

(We had a "very select group" in my community, and thanks to their actions we had no board at all for several months and were facing the likelihood of receivership. Thankfully the manager's contract runs until the end of the year - if it had expired, we'd have had no manager on top of no board and would not have been paying any bills during this time. It would have been an interesting time to have plumbing problems...)

That said, homeowners who want to replace a board member have the ability to do so, for any reason or no reason at all. They just better be sure that they have someone who's willing to replace the ousted director. They should also not expect to re-write corporate codes. Corporations are not democracies or social clubs, and tossing board members won't change that.

Good questions.
ElaineI (Georgia)
Posts: 33
Posted:
Hi Everyone,

Sorry it took so long to respond. So to answer everyne's questions. The Select Group are the about 60% of the community. Our by laws have certain things spelled out yet it seems if your friends with the board member anything you ask is appproved even if it says specifically you can't.

Our by laws say if you are in areeas with your HOA dues you can't vote at the Board meeting or run for office yet oddly one of the board members was just that and the only way I know that is because I was their voting proxy due to their work commitments and I was informed they couldn't vote yet magically they were elected to a position. There is a suspicion this was fixed.

There are other instances but at the end of the day this person is exhibiting very Toxic behavior which is the bottom line and yes the discuson is basically do we ask them to resign and give them the opportunity or do we just go in full force and call a meeting for this sole purpose?

Hopefully I explained it as best as I can.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
"At the end of the day," the person does not qualify to either serve or stay on the Board. Have any owners asked the Board in writing why someone in violation of your Bylaws is serving on the Board? If your Board has open meetings, has anyone asked the Board why the person is still on it?

I'm thinking that rather than going through the hassle of trying to do a recall, or waiting until the person is up for election, why not write a petition to the Board requesting that they terminate her service on the Board effective immediately pursuant to Bylaw ##s xxx & xxx? There is no need and it's a bad idea to mention the "toxic personality." If this director is clearly in violation of other Bylaws, note them too with their exact wording.

Did your group the learn correct procedures for doing a recall yet?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By KerryL1 on 11/28/2023 7:20 PM
"At the end of the day," the person does not qualify to either serve or stay on the Board. Have any owners asked the Board in writing why someone in violation of your Bylaws is serving on the Board? If your Board has open meetings, has anyone asked the Board why the person is still on it?

I'm thinking that rather than going through the hassle of trying to do a recall, or waiting until the person is up for election, why not write a petition to the Board requesting that they terminate her service on the Board effective immediately pursuant to Bylaw ##s xxx & xxx? There is no need and it's a bad idea to mention the "toxic personality." If this director is clearly in violation of other Bylaws, note them too with their exact wording.

Did your group the learn correct procedures for doing a recall yet?

Sound advice.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
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Posted By ElaineI on 11/28/2023 5:42 PM
Hi Everyone,

Sorry it took so long to respond. So to answer everyne's questions. The Select Group are the about 60% of the community. Our by laws have certain things spelled out yet it seems if your friends with the board member anything you ask is appproved even if it says specifically you can't.

Our by laws say if you are in areeas with your HOA dues you can't vote at the Board meeting or run for office yet oddly one of the board members was just that and the only way I know that is because I was their voting proxy due to their work commitments and I was informed they couldn't vote yet magically they were elected to a position. There is a suspicion this was fixed.

There are other instances but at the end of the day this person is exhibiting very Toxic behavior which is the bottom line and yes the discuson is basically do we ask them to resign and give them the opportunity or do we just go in full force and call a meeting for this sole purpose?

Hopefully I explained it as best as I can.

Respectfully, the bottom line is not their toxic behavior; it is confirming the procedure for removing a board member.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
It does sound like there are issues with the board that need to be addressed - I'd probably be part of the group who wanted to something about it.

But here's the thing. It sounds like this isn't a problem with the one director, it's a problem with the entire board. No single board member controls what happens, since that person has only one vote. If he's making bad decisions and the other board members are going along with it, they're all at fault. So you're potentially looking at replacing the entire board. Tread carefully, because the last thing you want is to find yourself with no board members at all.

If the group pressing for change has willing volunteers, then their first order of business is to learn what being on the board is all about. A recall-and-replace action is kinda a qualifying exam for the position - if you don't understand how it works, then you probably don't understand a lot of what you need to know. Boards run multi-million dollar corporations that are regulated by law. It's a big deal, and boards can get their communities into legal trouble through good intentions founded on inadequate knowledge.

That said, here's the broad overview.

Most community associations handle this in much the same way, although the details will depend on what your bylaws and state laws governing community associations and/or non-profit corporations say. If you want to replace some or all of the board, it usually requires calling a Special Meeting of the Membership. Typically you must provide adequate notice to the membership, and the notice must specify the purpose/agenda of the meeting. You must achieve quorum to hold the meeting, same as with the annual meeting. You must comply with your community's election requirements. And you must not conduct any other business at the Special Meeting besides the recall and replace actions. Missing any one of these pieces will invalidate the whole thing, and the current board will remain in place.

It's often less work to replace board members via the annual meeting and attrition. This may or may not work better in this case, it depends on the details. As I said above, this sounds to me like a board problem, not an individual director problem. But I don't know any of the players, so that may not be accurate.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By ElaineI on 11/27/2023 4:42 PM
How do we go about a recall? Who has to be notified?

Check your governing documents and applicable statutes (usually the corporate statutes deal with this).

Typically, the process is:

1) Gather signatures from members on a petition to hold a special meeting of the membership for the purpose of recalling (individual or entire) board members.
The percentage of signatures needed would be in your governing documents or statutes.

2) Submit the petition to the board via the registered agent, certified mail (so you know they got it). Keep copies for yourself.

3) Board verifies signatures to see if the percentage required was obtained.

4) Board (or recall committee if board isn't cooperating) arranges for a meeting date, time and place.

5) Board (or recall committee if board isn't cooperating) sends notices to membership (keeping in mind notice requirements in statutes or governing docs.)

6) Recall Committee should be actively soliciting proxies or encouraging participation

7) Meeting is held, votes cast, ballots tallied.

8) If successful -
8a) A vote for new board members is held at the same meeting
8b) Another special meeting is called to vote on replacement board members (until then, existing board members remain in office).

If the board does not want to cooperate in the process, or won't recognize a successful vote, legal action may be required.

It will take a lot of energy and time to complete the process.

An alternate option is to gather support and nominees from the membership to run against the existing board at the next election.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Tim's list looks wonderful.

Still, a third alternate is to start at the very basic level of a bunch of you writing an information petition as I suggest above and submitting it to the Board at an open meeting. If GA doesns't require open meeting software the board, send it to the proper persons. Only use one signature per household. Tell the Boar in your petition that your owners want answers to the following questions. List them and request a date by which the Board should respond.

Again, n do NOT focus on "toxic behaviors but solely on the violation of your governing docs. If something like this doesn't get some action, sure, what for an election or try a recall.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 859
Posted:
Sad case where someone is encouraged by many to resign, still wants to be on the Board. I found no glory being on a board for 13 years. It is not a steppingstone to higher office.

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