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EricP7 (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hi All, I'm new here and have read some interesting discussions that have helped me in the past to navigate topics that come up regarding our small Association.

Our HOA has common areas that we are required to maintain. Tract A,B,C, and D. While we own B,C, and D, I just found out today that we don't own tract A. Its a public trail owned by the our city that we have been maintaining for the last 7 years. It also states in the permits and surveys that are public record that our HOA is require to maintain all improvements on Tract A. Tract A leads to Tract B which is noted as our private recreational property.

Does anyone on here have experience with this?

Is it legal to perpetually bind a small HOA with the cost of maintaining land owned by the city that is designate Public land?

This came to light because another development is linking a trail system to Tract A.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
-Eric
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Don't know about public land, but my community has an easement that requires us to perform 100% of the maintenance of a piece of land owned by another person. So yes, stuff like this can happen. We also include these maintenance costs in our reserve studies.

There must be some legal agreement somewhere that makes your HOA responsible. Your HOA also needs to have some interest in the public land that would justify the agreement - for example, if you have to use the pubic land in order to get to land that your HOA owns. If your county recorder has a website, I suggest searching through the recorded documents and see what you can find. And depending on how old your community is, you may be able to find some relevant information in your association's records.

Yes, it's almost certainly legal to bind your HOA permanently to maintain this land, assuming you will continue to benefit from its use. In our case with the easement, our only option would be to legally abandon it - which would involve lawyers drafting documents and the like. Our lawyer at the time cautioned us about taking this step. He said that the other party to agreement could probably take action if we continued to enjoy the benefits of the easement after we walked away from the agreement. I could see something similar happening in your case - the only difference could be the willingness of a private owner to file a suit vs. a public entity doing so.

You probably need to get a legal opinion about your particular situation. Easements are pretty common, but that doesn't mean the details are the same.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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EricP7, I would contact your city's land use department. Present them with the documents you use to justify your claim above. Then ask questions, explaining you want to understand what is going on.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Check with the town planner but, unfortunately, HOAs often have easements and parcels of land that local government controls yet the HOA must maintain.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Define "Maintenance" How is maintenance defined in the deed and or governing documents?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By LetA on 11/15/2023 8:39 PM
Define "Maintenance" How is maintenance defined in the deed and or governing documents?

That can be the tricky part.

I mentioned my community's easement in my answer above. The recorded easement agreement requires us to "maintain" the area, and nowhere does it define what that maintenance involves. This is just one of the reasons I'm livid about the agreement, since we're legally obligated to foot the entire bill for ... something. And presumably the owner of the property can take action against us if our something doesn't comply with his notions of something. And he won't talk to us. If I were the sole owner of our condo property, I'd call my attorney in a heartbeat and have him draft paperwork for abandoning the easement, since it gives us nothing that isn't available to any random person in the area. It just sticks with all of the bills for ... something.

What's even more annoying is that only one other owner in my community is as annoyed about this as I am. Everyone else either doesn't understand - and what's not to understand about periodically forking out $20,000 for something we don't even own - or they don't care. So that's another problem that boards can face if they try to get out from under such agreements. The rest of the community may say "meh" and won't support any board action to change things. And I assume that membership approval would be needed in cases like this, although it probably depends on the details of the easement.

Lord save us from developers and lawmakers who want to do us favors but throw us under the bus instead.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Eric,

Are you on the Board?

If not, you can gather all the info you desire but action can only be taken by the board to work on abolishing the easement.

However, if the requirement is also in your covenants, it would require an amendment to the covenants as well as what hoops are required by the County/city.
EricP7 (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you everyone for responses. I didnt know this was even possible before a few days ago and it would seem it happends more frequently then I ever would have imagined.

Cathy, it would seem that we are in a similar situation, Its public land that requires us to Maintain all improvements to the Public trail owned by the city. It written in the permits and the surveys via city public records. Its also briefly mentioned in our CCR's. We just found out we don't own it. Because the city is connecting a new development to it and the rest of the city I suppose will just get a free ride to use the trail on our small HOAs back. (28 homes).

I am Vice president of the board. I think I will be trying to meet with the city in regards to it.

Thanks again.
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
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It doesn't hurt to ask if the city will take it back. You never know if they might have an incentive to do that. Just make sure that by giving back control you don't lose something - like the right to use that trail.
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By EricP7 on 11/16/2023 2:42 PM
Because the city is connecting a new development to it and the rest of the city I suppose will just get a free ride to use the trail on our small HOAs back. (28 homes).

I am Vice president of the board. I think I will be trying to meet with the city in regards to it.
Do find out the status of approving the new development. Do reach out to your City Councilor and explain the situation to him/her. It's possible your HOA could compel the city council and land use department to force the new HOA to add a covenant concerning maintenance.

But if the city has already issued approvals, having complied with open meeting requirements for public input, your HOA is probably out of luck.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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I do recall where an HOA in Winchester VA was responsible to maintain a battlefield. There was an article in the paper (many years ago) where a preservation group saw the covenant and brought legal action to make the Association honor it's obligation.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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In practicality, "Maintenance" of a forest walking path will be considered adequate until a government official demands the HOA perform some form of maintenance. Otherwise, keep the path clean (which the HOA should do on behalf of its existing dues payers).
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
In practicality, "Maintenance" of a forest walking path will be considered adequate until a government official demands the HOA perform some form of maintenance. Otherwise, keep the path clean (which the HOA should do on behalf of its existing dues payers).
ElleN (Idaho)
Posts: 4,420
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Posted By KellyM3 on 11/17/2023 9:53 AM
In practicality, "Maintenance" of a forest walking path will be considered adequate until a government official demands the HOA perform some form of maintenance.
... or some person using the path trips and falls; hires an attorney; and demands a settlement from the HOA's insurer.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By ElleN on 11/17/2023 10:13 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 11/17/2023 9:53 AM
In practicality, "Maintenance" of a forest walking path will be considered adequate until a government official demands the HOA perform some form of maintenance.
... or some person using the path trips and falls; hires an attorney; and demands a settlement from the HOA's insurer.

Exactly the sort of thing our attorney cautioned us about when we were trying to figure out how to get out from under the easement. If someone gets hurt on the other property, they'll sue the property owner who will come after us, claiming we didn't maintain the thing properly. This is one reason I despise that easement - it's all risk with very little obvious benefit since "maintenance" is nowhere defined in the agreement. In my mind it's just another method for the owner to pass on costs that legitimately belong to him.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Eric

Are you saying that there is no access to parcels B, C, D, etc. without passing through parcel A?
EricP7 (Washington)
Posts: 4
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Posted By JohnC46 on 11/17/2023 2:59 PM
Eric

Are you saying that there is no access to parcels B, C, D, etc. without passing through parcel A?

Currently Tract A has 2 ends. One end is a main arterial with no cross walk and no sidewalk on the trail side. The other end of tract A is Track B our private recreational lot. There is about 500 feet of paved asphalt trail in-between.

There are many shrubs and trees and the ground is covered in bark The bark cost a few $1000 ever 3 years, a retaining wall (maybe 100') and storm drainage system that is installed. Our Small HOA (28 homes) currently pays about 30% of our dues in landscaping cost (not just this area but tracts B,C,D as well) not to mention the money we have to pile away into a reserve account to cover the asphalt paving of this trail an all the trees and shrubs and retaining wall.

Our dues are very high for a sing family home development in our area ($104) per month. It seems unfair for them to add another 50+ homes and connect another private trail and leave us with the sole cost to maintain.

I will try following up with the city soon. They just added the ask of the builder to connect to the trail.
EricP7 (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Tract B, C, and D have many diverse access points.

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