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TheresaF1 (Nevada)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Our homeowner group is very unhappy with board members who do not correct our management company who is condescending with homeowners and fights with them. Board members also lack communication with homeowners. Do we need a lawyer to recall them?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Read your documents. It is all in there.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Melissa is right. How to recall directors is in your Bylaws. If they don't tell you much, the Nev. corporations codes or codes about HOAs can tell you. All states are different.

Recall can be tricky and difficult. If your annual election is not too far off, wait until then and vote out the ones who're up for reelection. This method or recall requires though, to make any sense, that you & your group have candidates who're willing to serve.

Meanwhile at open board meetings, owners may ask if the Board would please offer more communication more often about x, y & z.

Your group also could try an informal letter to the Board signed by a bunch of you referring to x, y or z.

Is your manager full-time on your premises? Or serves your HOA part time from a remote office? What size is your HOA?

In my very s wrong opinion, it's always a good idea to read the contract between your HOA & the management company.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Melissa and Kerry said.

"Condescending" can be subjective so you'd have to hear the entire conversation. Property managers can be rude, but did the homeowner call up yelling and making all sorts of demands without understanding (or caring) about the process? Did they get angry because they were told a question or issue had to be reviewed by the Board? Remember, property managers aren't board members and work under the board's direction, so some issues can't be decided by them exclusively.

Kerry noted it helps to read the contract between the association and management company - maybe people are demanding things that simply aren't the property manager's responsibility. Maybe the answer to some (many?) questions are in the documents, or posted on the community website, but no one reads it - or think that stuff only applies to other people anyway.

Start with your board members on the communication and if they're listening, they should discuss communication issues with the property manager.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TheresaF1 on 11/15/2023 10:17 AM
Do we need a lawyer to recall them?

Typically not, but you might if the board isn't responsive.

Check your governing documents and applicable statutes.

Typically, the process is:

1) Gather signatures from members on a petition to hold a special meeting of the membership for the purpose of recalling (individual or entire) board members.
The percentage of signatures needed would be in your governing documents or statutes.

2) Submit the petition to the board via the registered agent, certified mail (so you know they got it). Keep copies for yourself.

3) Board verifies signatures to see if the percentage required was obtained.

4) Board (or recall committee if board isn't cooperating) arranges for a meeting date, time and place.

5) Board (or recall committee if board isn't cooperating) sends notices to membership (keeping in mind notice requirements)

6) Recall Committee should be actively soliciting proxies or encouraging participation

7) Meeting is held, votes cast, ballots tallied.

8) If successful -
8a) A vote for new board members is held at the same meeting
8b) Another special meeting is called to vote on replacement board members (until then, existing board members remain in office).

If the board does not want to cooperate in the process, or won't recognize a successful vote, legal action may be required.

It will take a lot of energy and time to complete the process.

An alternate option is to gather support and nominees from the membership to run against the existing board at the next election.
TheresaF1 (Nevada)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Someone´will be reading the contract soon. We read our documents. We just felt a lawyer would make sure the Managing co. will not mess with us about the rules as they usually do. The NRS supersedes the by laws but they preach the bylaws to us and interpret things their way. The company is far north from us. They hate in person meetings now that they have no excuse of zoom meetings. We had to get signatures to have in person meetings. The board goes along with them on everything so they feel powerful. We do not yell at them at meetings. Unprofessional is too nice a word for all of them. We tried to get the board to ask us for our opinions and reach out and show they care about homeowners but they only listen to a rude managing company.
TheresaF1 (Nevada)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks Tim for your professional answer.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In what way does the MC "mess" with you owners about the rules??

Maybe others know, but I don't. What is NRS? Nev. something?

Bylaws are usually jus about different kinds of board meetings nd owners meetings, , elections of directors and appointment of officers. What do your say and how do your Bylaws conflict with what the MC says? The you say "Bylaws," are you sure that you do't mean rules & regs? Or even ARC guidelines?
TheresaF1 (Nevada)
Posts: 8
Posted:
NRS is Nevada state law. BY LAWS are rules in in our documents (CC&Rs). When I said Mess I meant how they interpret our laws. Nevada State law supersedes our By Laws but the MC does not want to acknowledge it with certain instances.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
If your HOA is a corporation, your HOA is required to have Bylaws that are almost always separate from your CC&Rs. Bylaws and "rules"in HOAs are two different documents.

Yes, there are "rules" in your CC&rs. And the, often, there are additional ones that clarify or expand on the ones in your CC&Rs. These rules are about such things as parking, pets, changes to homes' exteriors, and rule about th use of your common areas, pool rules, for instance. Also things like solar panels and EV chargers. Can you tell what kind of rules the MC interprets differently than you group?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Anyone who wants to go the recall and replace route needs to be very sure that they actually have people willing to be the replacements. It's not unusual for people to talk big, and then when it's time to step up and do the work, they're all "oh no, not me, tooooo busy." You may recall your way into receivership, at which point you'll wish your only problem was a rude manager.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Theresa

As others have said, you do not need a lawyer to do a recall. That said, a recall is a very tricky thing especially if those being recalled fight it. Best advice is to replace them with other candidates at the normal BOD election time. If determined to do a recall, it is best to have legal advice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
If you do consult with an attorney, those expenses would be the responsibility of the individuals consulting with the attorney.
Even if you are successful in removing the board, those expense would not be reimbursable by the Association.

Therefore, consult/hire an attorney with that in mind.
TheresaF1 (Nevada)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Yes we do know this that is why we will try a recall on our own first.

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